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aswap5		#1 Posted : 22 December 2013 18:31:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 32		Hello Everyone, A Merry Christmas to everyone who is celebrating. I have not had time to actually do anything with my Marklin for some time: work and the fact that my flat was being painted.... I connected the MS2 and then placed what the dealer assured me was a digital loco on the track. It behaved as though it were set to analogue - running off at high speed, refusing to reverse. Despite trying the following, it just wasn't recognised (No Loco on the MS2 display): Wouldn't automatically register. Wouldn't find. Entering from database did not work. Entering it manually did not work either. (I am attaching pix of the loco with and without cover) I opened it up and it clearly was at least a delta - if not digital and equally clearly seemed to have a dc motor. Fearing there was a problem with my MS2, I reset it to factory settings and tried again. No luck. (btw, it is running firmware/software version 1.8.3 and voltage check showed 18V (I think). I checked it with another loco, a BR41 from the delta set 29625. I opened up the loco and set the address to 80, entered it manually and it ran. Lights switched over, reversing happened - but each time I had to nudge it a bit. Some cleaning is obviously required as well as a little repair. Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong? Ashok aswap5 attached the following image(s):


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H0		#2 Posted : 22 December 2013 18:48:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,268 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Ashok, The loco is from a starter set and it has a decoder. Factory default address will be either 24 or 78 or may 72 or 60. I would manually create 4 entries in the MS2 with these four addresses (MM protocol). Then put the loco on the track and hope it stands still and responds to one of these addresses.
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Lollo		#3 Posted : 22 December 2013 19:53:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 365		Hi, Just repaired one of these for a friend. The default address was 24. Cheers, Brian.
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Webmaster		#4 Posted : 22 December 2013 20:07:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Could you please take another pic with the decoder in focus so the left side of it is lit too? Seems faintly like there is a DIP-switch module there where all switches are set to "Off" - which indicates the analog compatibility setting of a Delta decoder... What I mean is that the decoder looks like to be set up for analog operation, which will give the symptoms you describe. If it is like I suspect, then please ha a look at https://www.marklin-user...digital/DIdeltaaddr.html for possible loco address settings. You will also have to configure the loco manually in the MS 2 with the same address you have set in the loco decoder. Hope this help a bit - but an additional pic so we can see the left part of the decoder would be helpful. Edit - After enhancing the pic and looking more closely - I think we need a picture of the other side of the decoder.
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aswap5		#5 Posted : 26 December 2013 04:32:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 32		Sorry for the delay in responding. I finally managed to check this loco out. I set the address to 24 and almost everything is working. There's a light inside the loco (for the firebox, I guess), which has gone off. I am not able to get to light up using the MS2. I'll try and figure it out! Another odd piece of behaviour is that when I put in reverse, it moves forward a tiny bit (about a quarter turn of the wheel) and then starts moving in reverse. Don't know if this normal. This weekend I'll put both of the locos on an oval to get used to the MS2. I also took off the body and took photos of the decoder form the other side, in fact I unscrewed it and flipped it over. I couldn't find any DIP switches, everything was soldered on. Thanks you all for your help. Ashok


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H0		#6 Posted : 26 December 2013 08:38:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,268 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: aswap5 There's a light inside the loco (for the firebox, I guess), which has gone off. I think the light is there to provide feedback when programming with a Control Unit 6021 or other older controllers. I would think it can be controlled with f0 for either forward or reverse.
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Janne75		#7 Posted : 26 December 2013 09:50:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,550 Location: Finland		Hi all, I had some years ago this same loco and I can confirm that there is no DIP switches. It has a programmable decoder and the light should blink when this decoder is in programming mode. It's possible to program very long acceleration and braking delays into this loco like I did. PS. I got it as a new for 13 euro from Holland with two freight cars... Not a bad deal . Cheers, Janne
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steventrain		#8 Posted : 26 December 2013 18:45:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		The loco was from the special item 29157 starter set.
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Goofy		#9 Posted : 28 December 2013 10:10:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,023		Originally Posted by: Janne75 Hi all, I had some years ago this same loco and I can confirm that there is no DIP switches. It has a programmable decoder and the light should blink when this decoder is in programming mode. It's possible to program very long acceleration and braking delays into this loco like I did. PS. I got it as a new for 13 euro from Holland with two freight cars... Not a bad deal . Cheers, Janne If this loco is special decoder with only 4 adresses to choise,it should stand MM2 programmable in the MS2 by program adress. Remember...always one locomotiv stand alone on the track!!
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aswap5		#10 Posted : 30 December 2013 17:31:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 32		Thanks again, everyone. And a happy New Year to all. Got a basic layout set up (a bedbahn!) and got both the locos running. Need to adjust acc and dec for more lifelike behaviour. Now on to the 103 conversion! Ashok


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