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Offline Dave Banks  
#1 Posted : 18 June 2013 09:49:12(UTC)
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Guys all I can say is she is magnificent & well worth the wait.BigGrin

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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 18 June 2013 10:37:04(UTC)
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Interesting version of the crocodile, Dave! ThumpUp

Makes a change from green or brown!
Ray
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Offline Dave Banks  
#3 Posted : 18 June 2013 10:56:43(UTC)
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I must say I was skeptical when it first came on the market but now seeing it in the flesh so to say it looks great. Had to tone the sound down a tad. Runs smooth as silk.


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Offline river6109  
#4 Posted : 18 June 2013 11:39:40(UTC)
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Hi, I thought I'll make a comment about the new crocodile smooth run like silk. It is a bit of irony when Roco locos in the past have been criticised for being plastic but the other great feature of Roco locos always have been the smooth running like silk for many years but nobody had considered this as a plus, suddenly new Märklin locos come onto the market and reading the posts it looks like the noise of Märklin locos from the past must have disturbed a number of people.

John
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Offline Dave Banks  
#5 Posted : 18 June 2013 12:12:21(UTC)
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John, I must say that I do agree with you in saying my two Roco electric "sound" loco's are really super smooth & very quiet runners. I think my Two Roco loco's are still marginally quieter that the new Twin motor Croc's. But Marklin have definitely addressed the noise problem to a degree but there is still room for improvement in my opinion. The new type slider on this loco helps a lot.

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Offline mbarreto  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2013 13:09:01(UTC)
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John,

When locos have sound modules it is better they run quiet (both motor and gear).

I also like a lot the metal cogwheels and LFM and DCM motors sound when locos don't have sound modules.

The new crocs are super, the only thing I would like different are the plastic in the walkways and handrails. The metal used in the Ce6/8III in the handrails was just perfect.

Roco is good in many respects too, but as time goes by I am more addicted to Märklin and don't care so much abut other brands :))
I totally respect Roco as they also have great models and they brought to model railroading very interesting solutions.


Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2013 14:05:09(UTC)
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I agree,

Nothing wrong with Roco. They make great locos and stock, as do other manufacturers.

My collection, however, is more than 90% Marklin, because I grew up with Marklin and they are still my favourite brand. Usually there has to be a very good reason for me to get a loco from someone else when Marklin already have a model.
Ray
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Offline Janne75  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2013 15:01:12(UTC)
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Hello,

I just got my 37567 today and I agree that it is a great looking Crocodile ThumpUp . Very detailed compared to earlier Märklin Crocodiles. I had also to set sound volume down a bit (255 => 210). I just ran it for a minute and put it in a display case as I don't want store it in it's wooden box. Very good looking model that I want to see daily without unpacking it from it's box.

This one is my 13th Crocodile. I have six green, five brown, one white and now this black Crocodile. Five of them are "big" like 36159 brown, 31859 green, two 31860 green and one 31860 white versions. Eight are these correct 1:87 scale "small" Crocodiles. Four brown versions including two 31860, 39561 and 39565. Three green versions including two 3756 (Be 6/8 III and Ce 6/8 III) and one from starter set 29680 = same as 39563.

This black Crocodile looks so good that I think I will rearrange all my locos in display cases and put Crocodiles at "spot lights" RollEyes . I will also run this black version, but not often. My white and green "big" Crocodiles don't see any track time and are only in their display cases. But this black one has full sound and nice details and two motor technic so I know already that I can't resist to take it for a run sometimes Wink .

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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Offline river6109  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2013 15:34:39(UTC)
river6109

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I agree,

Nothing wrong with Roco. They make great locos and stock, as do other manufacturers.

My collection, however, is more than 90% Marklin, because I grew up with Marklin and they are still my favourite brand. Usually there has to be a very good reason for me to get a loco from someone else when Marklin already have a model.


Ray,

my topic was more specific towards the noise level and when I grew up there was no Roco only Märklin and my locos are about 90 % Märklin.

regards.,

John


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Offline river6109  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2013 15:41:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaveB Go to Quoted Post
John, I must say that I do agree with you in saying my two Roco electric "sound" loco's are really super smooth & very quiet runners. I think my Two Roco loco's are still marginally quieter that the new Twin motor Croc's. But Marklin have definitely addressed the noise problem to a degree but there is still room for improvement in my opinion. The new type slider on this loco helps a lot.



Dave,

I have altered quite a bit on my older Märklin locos:
converted them with a 5 pole motor
corrected the brushes shaft
added ball bearings both sides on most of my locos
used a Roco whisper slider since Märklin altered the studs on the c-track

John
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Offline Dave Banks  
#11 Posted : 18 June 2013 22:52:36(UTC)
Dave Banks

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Hello John,

Yes those Roco whisper sliders make all the difference. It was actually you John that got me going on Roco. Now I have two in my collection. Blushing

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Offline mbarreto  
#12 Posted : 19 June 2013 10:14:31(UTC)
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How does the Roco sliders perform in long C turnouts?

Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline river6109  
#13 Posted : 19 June 2013 11:43:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post


How does the Roco sliders perform in long C turnouts?



The Roco Whisper slider has solved the noise level with c-tracks, the standard Märklin slider (hole in the middle) made a noise because they've changed the pukos from sideways to longways.

Roco sliders come now in most of the different length Märklin has produced

John
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Offline grnwtrs  
#14 Posted : 19 June 2013 23:46:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaveB Go to Quoted Post
Guys all I can say is she is magnificent & well worth the wait.BigGrin

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Thank you for the very clear pictures, especially of the pantographs.

I have struggled to "raise my pantos" but could not figure how.

From your nice pictures, I could see the rectangular hole whhere
the pin fits in to lock the pantograph down.

Without your very clear pictures, I would not have a hope in raising
them up.

Thanks muchBigGrin And she sure is worth the wait.
Offline Dave Banks  
#15 Posted : 20 June 2013 01:20:35(UTC)
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Your very welcome. I think like said Janne, mine is also going into the display cabinet.
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Offline shannon  
#16 Posted : 23 June 2013 16:07:02(UTC)
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Nice and clear shooting than other pictures i ever saw before.
Simply one unsatification for me on this new tooling is the uncorrect pantographs.
I'm disappointed to see the old and mistaken pantograph mounted on the roof.

see the prototype

http://4rail.eu/swi/swi_...roco_erstfeld_2002_L.jpg

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Offline Dave Banks  
#17 Posted : 24 June 2013 05:15:49(UTC)
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Hi Shannon, thanks for pointing that out for me. I had not noticed that error till you pointed it out to me. But bearing in mind this loco is a figment of Marklin's imagination I guess anything goes. Personally I think it is stunning in black. Thanks for the link to a picture or the real deal.
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Offline Janne75  
#18 Posted : 24 June 2013 09:17:19(UTC)
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Märklin had in their old CCS 800 Crocodile pantographs that looked more like a real thing (I mean only the upper part of it) before year 1951. Those where made between 1947-1950. I actually have two original "old new" spare pantographs type 4.1 that could be used in some of my Crocodiles, but they have flat metal underside and could only be used in the older design Crocodiles. These are to be used without any plastic part under them and I'm not really sure if they even fit these bigger older "3015" design 36159, 31859 or 31860 Crocodiles. I really love the looks of them, at least for their age ThumpUp . Here is a link to some repro type 4.1 pantographs:

Märklin type 4.1 repro pantographs

Regards,

Janne
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Offline steventrain  
#19 Posted : 24 June 2013 16:08:03(UTC)
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Mine is on way!
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Dave Banks  
#20 Posted : 24 June 2013 22:14:21(UTC)
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Steven, its a good job you ordered one early in the peace as they are going out the door like hot cakes. I think hard to find now & at a premium price. Cool
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Offline H0  
#21 Posted : 24 June 2013 22:40:46(UTC)
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I think hard to find now & at a premium price. Cool
With froogle.de I just found one for EUR 414.96 incl. VAT. Too much for me.
But still easy to find if you're satisfied with only 15 % discount.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Dave Banks  
#22 Posted : 24 June 2013 23:55:58(UTC)
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Is this any better? For overseas buyers it would equate to about EUR406.00 posted. Please Note: I have no financial connection to this company.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Marklin-...&hash=item1e7c532716
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Offline steventrain  
#23 Posted : 25 June 2013 17:56:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaveB Go to Quoted Post
Is this any better? For overseas buyers it would equate to about EUR406.00 posted. Please Note: I have no financial connection to this company.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Marklin-...&hash=item1e7c532716


Paid 424 euro special offer from lokshop with order last February.

PS - 37567 is no more left from Marklin.
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Offline jeehring  
#24 Posted : 25 June 2013 23:15:50(UTC)
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Hello,


This black Crocodile looks so good.....Wink .

Cheers,
Janne



I'm a Lucky man, I saw the crocodile in black livery ....

this model is so beautiful, it has such a presence, it looks so real ...I feel the same with AE 8/14 in brown livery: truer than true !
It is a very particular feeling : you can not believe that this machine does not exist in real life ...


That is the Marklin expertise but I cannot explain its nature ,.....probably the result of more than 100 years into train manufacturing : experience .
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Offline Dave Banks  
#25 Posted : 26 June 2013 02:08:36(UTC)
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Hi Jeering, yes the AE8/14 in brown looks fantastic. I would love to get my hands on one. I have 37591 & 37593 in a set with six old timer Swiss coaches. Both locos fitted with Loksound MFX decoders. The 37567 I got from lippe @ EUR401.00 All up landed in Australia AU$500.10. I think I did alright with that deal. Now how to get one's hands on one of these? Confused

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Offline steventrain  
#26 Posted : 26 June 2013 15:36:02(UTC)
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Just in today, More photo soon.

Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline jeehring  
#27 Posted : 26 June 2013 17:09:41(UTC)
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..you go to see Steven, the black Crocodile is purely...jubilatoire ! Wink
(Hopping the word "jubilatoire" has the same meaning in English as in French : this kind of feeling when something unusual makes us satisfied- pleased-delighted-cheerful all together !... Wink ...)
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Offline Dave Banks  
#28 Posted : 27 June 2013 03:05:44(UTC)
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A few things that owners of the new stunning Black Krokodil #37567 should be aware of:

1). Firstly I jokingly call these "eyelashes". Under the roof these two silver (metal) components are only held in at two push in type locator points. Keep your hands well away from them so they don't dislodge or get bent & trust me it is easily done. The same would go for the two new brown & green twins #37565

2)There are two grey plastic push in components on front right hand side of each loco located behind the steps. In one of my photos you will notice on one instead of two of these components & the other photo showing other side of the loco you will notice it has two of these components. The point I am making is that they fall off very easily. I found my missing one lying in the box loose.

Moral of the story is watch where you place your fingers when handling these new models please.




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Offline Bryan  
#29 Posted : 27 June 2013 04:54:01(UTC)
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Hi All

The two verticle cylinders are indeed very fragile to damage by the leading pony truck pivoting. Mine arrived broken and replacement cylinders
are not a replacement spare part. The loco eventually went back to the dealer. With the replacement loco I have taken them out and stored them in the loco box as the loco is run and they will get broken again. The parts can easily be put back on if required.

Cheers
Bryan
Offline cjh26  
#30 Posted : 29 June 2013 23:24:13(UTC)
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very nice!

Carl
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