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Offline gerrybikeman  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2012 17:14:15(UTC)
gerrybikeman

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I have two Marklin locomotives, and both lights will work both forward and reverse, but will not run. I am new to AC Marklin and am trying to sell collection for a client. Any Help here? Here is a photo of one of the Locomotives.
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Offline Ian555  
#2 Posted : 17 December 2012 17:17:03(UTC)
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Hi gerrybikeman,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline jvuye  
#3 Posted : 17 December 2012 17:27:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gerrybikeman Go to Quoted Post
I have two Marklin locomotives, and both lights will work both forward and reverse, but will not run. I am new to AC Marklin and am trying to sell collection for a client. Any Help here? Here is a photo of one of the Locomotives.


Hi,
Welcome to the forum....but it would be nice if you'd introduce yourself ....don't you think?

Simple answer to your question: the inversion relay has a contact on top.
In 99% of the cases that contact doesn't close....all you need to is to adjust the pressure so that it closes again when the inversion relay is not activated.
However if you are not familiar with the procedure, it is easy to ruin the relay altogether, so take the time to understand how it works first.

Cheers



Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline gerrybikeman  
#4 Posted : 17 December 2012 22:11:04(UTC)
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Sorry I didn't introduce myself. I am new to Marklin and am clearing an estate for a couple. I am liking what I see in Marklin, am a DC ho railroader myself. Don't completely understand the features you are talking about but will look for a schematic. Don't like to sell anything without it being perfect.
Thanks
Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#5 Posted : 17 December 2012 23:45:29(UTC)
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I understand wanting to sell things in perfect condition but if you are not going to keep it and you are inexperienced you might as well cause more damage rather than good.

An alternative I could suggest is you take the screw from the top and photograph the inside as well to show everything is there and nothing unusual happened to the inside. I think many people will still be happy to buy it. True, might affect the price but because the exterior is so good I doubt the difference would be big.
Offline franciscohg  
#6 Posted : 17 December 2012 23:53:56(UTC)
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i could buy it.....
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#7 Posted : 17 December 2012 23:57:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
i could buy it.....


I was thinking the same if it wasn't because I am so bloated with trainsLOL Do you have the box, manual? You could list here in the for sale section, keep in mind that most people here will be very knowledgeable and experienced with those trains so you are less likely to get complains, they'll just fix it.
Offline franciscohg  
#8 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:01:51(UTC)
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Box is assumed
Manual would be nice
:)
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Offline gerrybikeman  
#9 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:10:57(UTC)
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Sorry no box or manual. Any offers?
Offline franciscohg  
#10 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:16:05(UTC)
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mmmm...postage would be about same amount than the loco....you said you have two locs....wich one is the other?
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Offline franciscohg  
#11 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:17:28(UTC)
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sorry didnt saw the full picture on the phone....not in diesels right now, sorry again
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Offline cookee_nz  
#12 Posted : 18 December 2012 03:11:31(UTC)
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Hi,

We'd really need to know a little more about the two loco's in order to help you and for anyone wanting to make an offer.

ie; Do you know if either of them have a Digital Decoder fitted?

The "81 010" is 'probably' a Marklin 3032 with normal 'analogue' drive, but could easily have had a Decoder fitted.

The "212 242-2" could be either a 3347, or 3647, (33xx indicates electronic reverse, 36xx is the Digital version).

We are assuming you are using at least a Marklin AC controller to do the testing?

As others have mentioned, you'll save us all a lot of time and speculation by popping the housing off and uploading photo's of the inside.

Housing should be easy to remove, often a single screw in the top, in the Dome on the Cl 81, and possibly in the Cab roof on the 212.

They may also have a serial number sticker underneath, the prefix in front of the number can sometimes help as well.

Just to double check, BOTH loco's have the lights at both ends illuminated, but no movement? - is there any hum from the motor?, do you know when they were last run?

It is possible the drive train is simply seized with dried lubricant, or they may have Digital (or Delta) decoders fitted but been wired so that the lights are always on. In this case, you'd really need a Digital controller to run them - the address can be figured from the dip-switches on the decoder, if fitted. But, they should still run at about 2/3rd speed even on a pure AC signal from a standard Marklin controller, (with blue or white plastic case but recommend NOT from a metal-case blue controller, they are very old).

The Loco reverse is done by turning the red control knob back past zero which generates a higher voltage 'pulse' to activate the reverse relay or circuit.

A Cl. 212 pretty much same as you have sold a few days ago on Ebay for $45.00 if that gives you an indication.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/...&hash=item2c6a9b3af3

And a Cl. 81 for $40...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/...&hash=item416ec73458

Many here would probably take both as-is for around $60-75 perhaps a little more, and you 'may' get more at Auction or private sale but like you said, you want to make sure they are both good.

I'd be keen, but sadly, postage to NZ more than the Loco's themselves.

Hope that helps you a little more. BigGrin

Regards from NZ

Steve
Cookee
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Offline abisel  
#13 Posted : 18 December 2012 05:57:26(UTC)
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Welcome.

At http://www.maerklin.com/en/index.html select Service, then in the Spare Parts window (center window) put in 3032 and hit Search. The next page will give you a single search result with a button for Spare Parts. This will give you a pdf file that you can save and will provide an exploded view with a small electrical schematic.

Cheers,
Offline gerrybikeman  
#14 Posted : 18 December 2012 06:54:01(UTC)
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You guys are all great and the comments fantastic. I have surgery tomorrow and Wednesday will be looking at the ideas you have.
Thanks again, be back Wednesday God willing.
Gerery
Offline mike c  
#15 Posted : 19 December 2012 04:14:05(UTC)
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Good luck with your procedure.

According to the marklin.com (US) site, here are two dealers who may be able to help you:

Tammies Hobbies
12024 SW Canyon Rd.
Beaverton OR 97005-2150
P: (503)644-4535
F: (503)626-7490
tammieshobbies(at)verizon.net

The Hobby Smith
1809 NE 39th Ave
Portland OR 97212-5302
P: (503)284-1912
F: (503)284-2920
ron(at)hobbysmith.com

If not, you can make the trip to Eurorailhobbies in Langley BC who is a major dealer in Canada.
Hopefully they will have the proper equipment to test your models and give you the information you need.

Regards

Mike C
Offline gerrybikeman  
#16 Posted : 19 December 2012 18:32:48(UTC)
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IS THIS DIGITAL DECODER EQUIPPED? THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT REPLIES. GETTING TO THINK
I WANT TO BUY A FEW OF THE EQUIPMENT MYSELF AND ENJOY IT?
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Offline jvuye  
#17 Posted : 20 December 2012 00:14:29(UTC)
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Hi geery.
This is a loco equipped with a Delta decoder.
Probably from a starter set.
Delta is actually the same as digital, except for the number of possible adresses and limited function control, if any.
So, no wonder it doesn't work in analof: you'd first have to set all teh addresses to "0".

Cheers
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#18 Posted : 20 December 2012 00:32:52(UTC)
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Ok in that case it seem an answer I was looking for myself a few days ago might help you. Look at post #4 you can work out from there how to change addresses.
www.marklin-users.net/fo...st25174_3459--Delta.aspx Otherwise you'll need to use a digital or delta controller set at the right address for the locos (at least the steam) to work as they are. It may help to show the interior of the diesel too.

My decoder detects analogue signal without any changes to the loco.

Edited by user 20 December 2012 06:08:32(UTC)  | Reason: additional info

Offline franciscohg  
#19 Posted : 20 December 2012 00:55:22(UTC)
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mmm, but it was said in the other topic that this early delta module can recognize between digital and analog....i looked at the pdf but it is in german...
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Offline franciscohg  
#20 Posted : 20 December 2012 00:59:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gerrybikeman Go to Quoted Post
IS THIS DIGITAL DECODER EQUIPPED? THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT REPLIES. GETTING TO THINK
I WANT TO BUY A FEW OF THE EQUIPMENT MYSELF AND ENJOY IT?


you have to do that for sure! endless amusement! plenty of things to discover and learn!
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Offline mike c  
#21 Posted : 20 December 2012 01:46:24(UTC)
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Jacques,

where do you see the 4 dip switches that would normally appear on a delta lok? I could not find them in the photo.
Could this be an electronic reverse unit without delta operation?

When did Maerklin first replace the mechanical relay inverters with electronic ones?
I think that my 3328 still had a electromechanical relay. My first Maerklin lok since then would have been the 3638 and then 3434, which was my first delta.
I will have to check my collection to see if I have any other loks that would be from the late 80s/early 90s (pre-Delta).

Regards

Mike C
Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#22 Posted : 20 December 2012 01:56:57(UTC)
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To Francisco and Mike, according to what was written in the responses I've received in my thread and the PDF despite being in German. It is just a regular very old Delta decoder. It hasn't got the switches, to change addresses you need a soldering iron and join or de-solder bridges on the circuit boar top right hand corner. In this photo you can just barely see one of those bridges which is set to OFF or zero.
Offline franciscohg  
#23 Posted : 20 December 2012 02:57:27(UTC)
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yes, but, it is true that it can recognize analog/delta operation? it is logic since it is not practical to solder/desolder the bridges.
if so, perhaps you only need to clean and relubricate the motor, wheels and gears and the loco should run...
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#24 Posted : 20 December 2012 06:06:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
yes, but, it is true that it can recognize analog/delta operation? it is logic since it is not practical to solder/desolder the bridges.
if so, perhaps you only need to clean and relubricate the motor, wheels and gears and the loco should run...


Hi Francisco, I missread your post, it looks like it does recognize the analogue signal, I have just tested it on my loco. So that takes us back to square one. The loco at the top (steam at least) might need some cleaning to get it moving.

However still it is not practical at all when you quite clearly are likely to want to change the address when you have two loks set at the same address
I don't think the PDF explains analogue use and the delta leaflets included with my loco one is incorrect because it displays the dipswitches the other is very vague telling you that in analogue you reverse the regular way but hardly says anything else. I will amend my prior post regarding the analogue detection.
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