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kweekalot		#1 Posted : 03 October 2012 15:58:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Dear Marklin friends, In a lovely sweet Dutch Antique shop I bought last Friday a 1957 V200 first version 3021. No box, no papers, only the Loco. She is used but still looks very neat, the wheels and gears too, but I must replace a broken coupler and re-tighten the windows. I paid € 50,00 for her and I believe that is not too expensive for a neat 3021(1). She has all the super sweet 1st version feathers, such as the Silver triple-ribbed decoration lines and of course the open ventilation grills aka “durchbrochenen Lüfters''. And at the bottom is a small switch for changing direction, but that can also be done remotely with the transformer. Man, how I love this super machine...... she ride fabulous !! Marco Edited by user 04 October 2012 11:48:20(UTC)  | Reason: spelling
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Ian555		#2 Posted : 03 October 2012 16:16:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, You have excellent taste, a wonderful Loco. They all have the reversing swich located there. I'm still looking for a '57. Ian. Still trying to work out this e-mail address.
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kweekalot		#3 Posted : 03 October 2012 17:39:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Ian, Thanks !! Excellent taste ?? Wait till you see my new Faller AMS .... Yes I'm still on the look for your 3021(1) but you also want an original box and instruction booklet and so on, so that is a different story. The Antique store had over 200 Marklin Loco's most 1950/60s right between the Holy Maria statues and chandeliers, and the best thing....most not expensive at all !! And they even have them online too, but the Antique store is otherwise completely unknown. As you are my forum buddy I'm going to sent you a PM with the link to this uber lovely Antique store, in case you want to look (virtual) around there too. Marco EDIT: PM sent...
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Ian555		#4 Posted : 03 October 2012 18:37:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, Thanks, will have a look.... Ian.
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H0		#5 Posted : 03 October 2012 22:57:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: kweekalot open ventilation grills aka “durchbrochenen Lüfters''. If anyone cares: I would rather write "durchbrochene Lüfter". I don't know how the technicians call it - I'd rather call it a window (Fenster) than a grill (Gitter). "Lüfter" means that it lets air (Luft) through. Nice old model. It has been in use though - two or three minutes maybe.
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kweekalot		#6 Posted : 04 October 2012 08:36:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Tom, Yes I care !! Many thanks for your response !! I have done the past weeks a thorough study on the 3021 model (and stored all articles and info that I could find). I'm Dutch, but I can also speak, read and write German. In German literature and fora is written: Durchbrochenen Lüftungsgitter Durchbrochenen Lüfter Durchbrochene Lüfter What do you think is most correct ?? Marco
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kweekalot		#7 Posted : 04 October 2012 09:06:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi all, Last night I was thinking that it was not very nice that I give the Antique shop link to only one member, because every member is my buddy. So here is the link for everyone: ANTIQUE SHOP Not everything is cheap, but a large part is.....(such as a TM800 for € 65 and so on). Marco
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RayF		#8 Posted : 04 October 2012 09:10:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		That's a lovely old 3021, Marco! I always live in hope that I'll find a nice old loco in an antique shop for a good price, but so far the only Marklin I've ever found in a local antique shop has been a really rusty old 3000, and they wanted £50 for it (about €55). It was even missing its slider too!
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Ian555		#9 Posted : 04 October 2012 09:16:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Hi all, Last night I was thinking that it was not very nice that I give the Antique shop link to only one member, because every member is my buddy. So here is the link for everyone: ANTIQUE SHOP Not everything is cheap, but a large part is.....(such as a TM800 for € 65 and so on). Marco Hi Marco, Good move. Ian.
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H0		#10 Posted : 04 October 2012 09:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Durchbrochenen Lüftungsgitter Durchbrochenen Lüfter Durchbrochene Lüfter What do you think is most correct? German language difficult language. Lüfter as plural: "Die Lok hat durchbrochene Lüfter." "Die Lok mit den durchbrochenen Lüftern." Lüfter as singular: "Beim Anblick des durchbrochenen Lüfters ..." Lüfter as plural: "Beim Anblick der durchbrochenen Lüfter ..." I would not use "Durchbrochenen Lüfter" or "Durchbrochenen Lüftungsgitter" as headlines or quotes, although they are correct in certain contexts. For headlines, use "Durchbrochene Lüfter" or "Durchbrochene Lüftungsgitter" (plural) or "Durchbrochener Lüfter" or "Durchbrochenes Lüftungsgitter" (singular).
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 04 October 2012 10:15:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: kweekalot The Antique store had over 200 Marklin Loco's most 1950/60s right between the Holy Maria statues and chandeliers, and the best thing....most not expensive at all !! And they even have them online too, but the Antique store is otherwise completely unknown. As you are my forum buddy I'm going to sent you a PM with the link to this uber lovely Antique store, in case you want to look (virtual) around there too. Here, we would be lucky to find some Marklin track in an antique store, let alone 200 locos! Mind you, I think Cookee has found the odd gem in 2nd hand stores.
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alan		#12 Posted : 04 October 2012 10:21:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: devon		good morning i have a nice 3021.1 in its red bycicle box it has been converted to digital {not by me } and it runs fine in both analog and digital when i work out how to post pics i will however mine does not have whitewall tyres just plain metal it also has a different slider a narrow one with small hole unlike marcos perhaps mine it doesnt have the original bogies alan plymouth devon
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kweekalot		#13 Posted : 04 October 2012 10:52:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Tom, Many thanks, now I get it. Hi David, The Antique shop link is public now, so you can look around if you wish. At 5 minutes from my house is a big MRR shop called "De Wapstad", they claim they have at any time from any brand the entire program in stock. They have indeed everything from Marklin and at least 350 different New Marklin loco for sale in the shops display cases. Wapstad advertise with the "entire program in stock stuff" for over 25 years. They even have a 10x bigger Marklin range in stock than the official Marklin Store in the same town, also on 5 minutes from my home. Yes, in terms of Marklin it is not bad in Holland, there is many of it, new and used, and it is cheap compared to other countries. Marco
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kweekalot		#14 Posted : 04 October 2012 11:08:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Alan, Yes, I would indeed love very much if you can post some photos of your 3021 (1) here. You can find some information how you can do that here: LINK Some threads are slightly outdated (and not 100% correct anymore), but there are some good ones. Marco
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GlennM		#15 Posted : 04 October 2012 16:15:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Hi all, Last night I was thinking that it was not very nice that I give the Antique shop link to only one member, because every member is my buddy. So here is the link for everyone: ANTIQUE SHOP Not everything is cheap, but a large part is.....(such as a TM800 for € 65 and so on). Marco Marco what a great little shop, you do realise you are feeding my addiction...................... Thanks for the link. I also like your 3021 that you found a lovely version for your collection. Here are some pics of mine BR Glenn
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kweekalot		#16 Posted : 04 October 2012 19:30:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Glenn, She looks slightly better than mine. Great photo's, Nice smooth background. (have you edited the background with Photoshop or what??) Thanks for sharing ! Marco
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Ian555		#17 Posted : 04 October 2012 19:41:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco and Glenn, Thanks for the photo's of your V200 3021.1 Ian....
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steventrain		#18 Posted : 04 October 2012 23:01:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: kweekalot The pickup shoe date from the 1960 , Someone replacement it. Edited by user 05 October 2012 14:25:15(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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kweekalot		#19 Posted : 05 October 2012 19:19:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Stephen, Thanks for your info ! Marco
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kweekalot		#20 Posted : 06 October 2012 17:56:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Today I gave the 3021 a small service job, oil and a new bulb. The (red) color difference between the 1957 3021 and her 53 years younger sister 30210 (2010) is remarkable. Furthermore the 30210 have silver outlined windows and ventilation grils, both have open ventilation grills.
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Ian555		#21 Posted : 06 October 2012 18:00:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, Very nice photo's of your V200's. What is the running number of the 30210?? Ian.
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kweekalot		#22 Posted : 06 October 2012 18:06:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Ian, Thanks ! V 200 048 Marco
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utkan		#23 Posted : 06 October 2012 18:10:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 19,116 Location: Istanbul,		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Dear Marklin friends, In a lovely sweet Dutch Antique shop I bought last Friday a 1957 V200 first version 3021. No box, no papers, only the Loco. Hi Marco, You do not need the paper, the box.....but the loco.... A lovely loco..... Cheers, mehmet
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Ian555		#24 Posted : 06 October 2012 18:18:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, Thanks. Ian.
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kweekalot		#25 Posted : 06 October 2012 21:53:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Mehmet, Thank you !! Marco
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kweekalot		#26 Posted : 06 October 2012 21:56:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi all, We (me and my son Stefan) made a short movie of the 3021 running on our layout.
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alan		#27 Posted : 06 October 2012 22:47:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: devon		hi marco you can tell the boy i really enjoyed his video alan plymouth
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kweekalot		#28 Posted : 07 October 2012 08:44:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Alan, Thanks, I told Stefan you liked it. And if possible I still like to see some photo's of yours 3021.1 Marco
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Ian555		#29 Posted : 07 October 2012 12:23:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, And thankyou for a very enjoyable and informative video. .....you need to watch a cat when it lifts it's butt like that... Ian.
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GlennM		#30 Posted : 10 October 2012 14:24:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Hi all, Last night I was thinking that it was not very nice that I give the Antique shop link to only one member, because every member is my buddy. So here is the link for everyone: ANTIQUE SHOP Not everything is cheap, but a large part is.....(such as a TM800 for € 65 and so on). Marco Marco, I am sorry to be a problem, but I contacted the shop as I wanted to buy six items but I have had no reply. Do you know if they deal with overseas, maybe they only sell within Nederlands ? Do you have any information on this. Thanks for any advice you can give. BR Glenn
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kweekalot		#31 Posted : 10 October 2012 15:27:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		No problem at all ! I can contact them (Phone) in Dutch if you want and ask.... EDIT: Hi Glenn, I have already contacted the Antique shop Elizabeth Maria and spoke with the very kind shop owner Andre Gombos Andre has received no email or order from UK, only one big order from Spain. Maybe there was a problem with the contact form on their website ? I have sent you a PM with the direct email of the Antique shop. They do ship worldwide and speak good English.
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Ian555		#32 Posted : 12 October 2012 16:48:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, Can I join your gang. Arrived today. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Ian555		#33 Posted : 12 October 2012 16:54:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, As you can see, she is boxed and with some original wrapping, but no instructions, although she only cost me £77, which I thought was a good price, and if you have a look at "Free Marklin", all round it was a really good deal. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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kweekalot		#34 Posted : 12 October 2012 18:02:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Ian, Yes you can ! Welcome to the 1957 gang !! She looks a bit better than mine, the paint on my 3021(1) is somewhat more damaged. Have you already opened the loco?? And ridden?
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GlennM		#35 Posted : 12 October 2012 18:14:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Hi Glenn, She looks slightly better than mine. Great photo's, Nice smooth background. (have you edited the background with Photoshop or what??) Thanks for sharing ! Marco Marco, The photos are shot in our family study where we have a free table for our hobbies. The background is the plain painted wall. None of my train pictures are 'photoshopped' they are standard jpegs out of the camera. BR Glenn
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GlennM		#36 Posted : 12 October 2012 18:16:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Originally Posted by: kweekalot No problem at all ! I can contact them (Phone) in Dutch if you want and ask.... EDIT: Hi Glenn, I have already contacted the Antique shop Elizabeth Maria and spoke with the very kind shop owner Andre Gombos Andre has received no email or order from UK, only one big order from Spain. Maybe there was a problem with the contact form on their website ? I have sent you a PM with the direct email of the Antique shop. They do ship worldwide and speak good English. Marco, Thanks for your assistance, they have found my email and they will confirm what is still available on Sunday. Apparently some items have already been sold but others are still available. So thanks for all you help. BR Glenn
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GlennM		#37 Posted : 12 October 2012 18:19:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Marco, Can I join your gang. Arrived today. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us I knew it was only a matter of time............... Congrats on your recent purchase, and joining the 1957 V200 Club. Just thinking maybe we could get some T Shirts made............................. Nice looking loco and seems like you got a bargain as well. I am currently chasing a nice RET800 which looked like it was a bargain, but every time I increase my bid, someone else does likewise Look forward to seeing the V200 in November. BR Glenn
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Ian555		#38 Posted : 12 October 2012 19:10:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, Thanks. No, I haven't opened her yet or gave her a run on the layout....but soon. Ian.
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Ian555		#39 Posted : 12 October 2012 19:14:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Glenn, Thanks. Ian.
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GlennM		#40 Posted : 12 October 2012 19:56:53(UTC) Retweet
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Ian555		#41 Posted : 12 October 2012 20:11:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi all, I'll check the pickup shoe and post a photo in the morning. Ian.
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steventrain		#42 Posted : 12 October 2012 21:15:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		I have a near mint/boxed 3021.3 date 1958.
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steventrain		#43 Posted : 12 October 2012 21:21:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Different lining silver for 3021. The first picture is 3021.1/2 and the second picture was from 3021.3. See in blue circle.
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Ian555		#44 Posted : 13 October 2012 05:53:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Stephen, Very nice 3021.3 V200. Ian.
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Ian555		#45 Posted : 13 October 2012 05:57:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Stephen, Thanks for information on the side silver lining strip. Ian.
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kweekalot		#46 Posted : 13 October 2012 11:52:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Originally Posted by: GlennM Just thinking maybe we could get some T Shirts made............................. Or a tatoo ?! Real gangs have tatoos !!
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alan		#47 Posted : 14 October 2012 17:08:05(UTC) Retweet
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kweekalot		#48 Posted : 14 October 2012 18:48:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hi Alan, Thanks for the lovely photo's !! She looks beautiful and in good condition, no paint chips and so on.... Only the box looks a bit ..... used. And again same slider. Thanks for sharing ! Marco EDIT: I now remember you said in another topic that you have a Toporama.....Love to see some pictures of it.
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alan		#49 Posted : 14 October 2012 20:26:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: devon		thanks marco my son came round on his weekly visit and he uploaded the pics for me but its all double dutch to me and even after watching him im still none the wiser yes my layout is a toporama m track wired for both analog and digital perhaps my son will make a video in the future regards alan plymouth
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Ian555		#50 Posted : 16 October 2012 14:24:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi Alan, Thanks for the photo's of your 1957 V200. Ian.
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