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Offline Oscar0645  
#1 Posted : 21 August 2012 23:58:21(UTC)
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If you are locating a signal (probably Veissman 4017) on the TT platform where do you run the leads to the decoder which is postioned underneath.
Do I need to do some reconstruction or is there an easier way????

Cheers Bruce
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 22 August 2012 03:41:33(UTC)
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I don't think the turntable was ever designed to have signals installed on it.

I would think that running wires would pose a risk of entanglement (unless you can somehow run them down the centre pivot point), so you would have to make modifications to use some kind of copper contacts on every stopping point.

If there is a manufacturer who makes some sort of wireless signal controller out there in MRR land, then that might be a nice elegant solution.
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Offline Oscar0645  
#3 Posted : 22 August 2012 09:03:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I don't think the turntable was ever designed to have signals installed on it.

I would think that running wires would pose a risk of entanglement (unless you can somehow run them down the centre pivot point), so you would have to make modifications to use some kind of copper contacts on every stopping point.

If there is a manufacturer who makes some sort of wireless signal controller out there in MRR land, then that might be a nice elegant solution.


Thanks,

The reason why I asked is that I had read on this forum that someone had done this but i was after more details

Cheers B
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Offline Fredrik  
#4 Posted : 22 August 2012 09:50:03(UTC)
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I haven't used it myself - but there is a TT-decoder that makes use of these signals (which then off-course must be replaced by functional signals to work properly).

Current version of this item contains several PCB:s of which one is installed in the TT. This PCB communicates through the original cable with an external PCB (the "decoder"), and can control 4 switching signal (and of course the TT-motor and so on). The use of this decoder requires some reconstruction of the TT.

Description and function can be viewed here: TT-decoder (note: page in German). It's a DIY project which anyone can build. If I remember correctly parts complete PCB:s can also be purchased somewhere (haven't researched that now).
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Offline Token  
#5 Posted : 22 August 2012 09:50:14(UTC)
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Isn't the turntable bridge itself permanently powered? Could one wire directly to the signal from the bridge?

Something I have pondered but not quite at that stage in my layout.

Regards,

Michael.
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Offline kbvrod  
#6 Posted : 22 August 2012 23:43:05(UTC)
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Hi all,

Originally Posted by: Bruce Martin Go to Quoted Post
If you are locating a signal (probably Veissman 4017) on the TT platform where do you run the leads to the decoder which is postioned underneath.Do I need to do some reconstruction or is there an easier way????Cheers Bruce


Bruce,light signals came very late to TT's,most used a Sh0/1 that was on each end of the bridge,which were switched when the lok was allowed on the TT.That is when the bridge was aligned and sometimes locked into position so the lok could(slowly) drive on the TT the opposite was true then the lok was turned.
I have also seen a Ra 11( a wait signal) on TT.

Rant:what always burned me was that FL/M included these non functioning light signals with the TT,I spent many an week wondering how to bring them to life...ho hum Laugh

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Offline Ross  
#7 Posted : 22 August 2012 23:46:25(UTC)
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Hi Bruce,

See my article on how I solved this problem, it work very well.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~...signals_cabin_lights.pdf

Bruce Martin wrote:

The reason why I asked is that I had read on this forum that someone had done this but i was after more details

Cheers B
Ross
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Offline kbvrod  
#8 Posted : 23 August 2012 00:14:10(UTC)
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Offline Ross  
#9 Posted : 23 August 2012 00:23:24(UTC)
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Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the correction.

Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~...signals_cabin_lights.pdf


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Offline kbvrod  
#10 Posted : 23 August 2012 00:57:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ross Go to Quoted Post
Hi Kevin,Thanks for the correction.
Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~...signals_cabin_lights.pdf




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#11 Posted : 23 August 2012 02:41:26(UTC)
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Thanks for the info. Will study it. Cheers Bruce
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Offline Goofy  
#12 Posted : 23 August 2012 19:50:28(UTC)
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What is wrong with Marklin/Fleischmann?
Why can´t they do it same way by this...?
It´s an nice details and function on the turntable!
H0
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Offline kbvrod  
#13 Posted : 23 August 2012 20:34:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What is wrong with Marklin/Fleischmann?
Why can´t they do it same way by this...?
It´s an nice details and function on the turntable!



Blink Pardon?

1) It would an immense cost to a 40 year old design
2) Would everyone want these signals?
3)The M/Fl TT is a rare TT (26M) most likely used for the BR 10

That said,not every TT had light signals or even the Sh0/1 or the Ra11,in a Bw workers gave hand/lamp signals to the driver to move the lok,...

Dr D
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Offline Robert Davies  
#14 Posted : 25 August 2012 18:50:07(UTC)
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Here is an alternative signal to fit to the turntable -

http://www.khk-modellbahn.de/in...modelle_%26_Zubeh%C3%B6r
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Offline kbvrod  
#15 Posted : 26 August 2012 00:11:30(UTC)
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Hi all,
Nice find Robert!ThumpUp

That settles that!Wink


Dr D
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Offline Goofy  
#16 Posted : 26 August 2012 09:50:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What is wrong with Marklin/Fleischmann?
Why can´t they do it same way by this...?
It´s an nice details and function on the turntable!



Blink Pardon?

1) It would an immense cost to a 40 year old design
2) Would everyone want these signals?
3)The M/Fl TT is a rare TT (26M) most likely used for the BR 10

That said,not every TT had light signals or even the Sh0/1 or the Ra11,in a Bw workers gave hand/lamp signals to the driver to move the lok,...

Dr D



It´s an likely function.
So why not as function too on the turntable?

H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
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