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Iamnotthecrazyone		#1 Posted : 05 May 2012 00:14:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Any thoughts?
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RayF		#2 Posted : 05 May 2012 00:30:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I have a few Primex engines and a couple of the sets. In most cases they are indistinguishable from their Marklin counterparts. I consider them to be an extension of the Marklin range, with different versions available from those in the main program. A couple of examples:
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drstapes		#3 Posted : 05 May 2012 01:39:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		I have the suburban railcar set which I think is very good.
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kimballthurlow		#4 Posted : 05 May 2012 02:08:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: RayF .... I consider them to be an extension of the Marklin range, with different versions available from those in the main program. ...... Absolutely Ray, so they have a desirability of their own. regards Kimball
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nevw		#5 Posted : 05 May 2012 07:07:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		I have a lot of Primex tankers and freight wagons. Very nice. nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Bigdaddynz		#6 Posted : 05 May 2012 07:09:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,772 Location: New Zealand		I have 3 or 4 Primex catalogs in pdf format! OK, I checked, it's actually 7 catalogs that I have. I've attached a couple of the smaller sized ones for you to enjoy. Edited by user 05 May 2012 10:31:29(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified File Attachment(s): Primex_1976_Catalog_DE.pdf (1,115kb) downloaded 159 time(s). Primex_1979_Catalog_DE.pdf (2,933kb) downloaded 146 time(s).
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Ian555		#7 Posted : 05 May 2012 07:29:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Primex Set 2750. Ian.
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river6109		#8 Posted : 05 May 2012 07:53:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		I have a few Primex locos and carriages, e.g. 2702, 3192 = Class 132 and the brown version of the Bavarian loco 3187, 3019 = a diesel loco BR 218, 3002 = BR E 63, 3012 = DB 798/998, 3017 = BVG BR 275, there are more than I thought I had, always wanted the Orient express John
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cookee_nz		#9 Posted : 05 May 2012 09:05:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,999 Location: Paremata, Wellington		I too like Primex, but really, what's not to like?, it's simply Marklin afterall. A couple of the catalogues that BD refers to are very extensive and contain everything the budding modeller would need. Including many items you won't find even in the full Marklin catalogue. I had three sets, foolishly let one of them go some years back, it was the set with the Orange Shunter and three Iron Ore cars - very cool indeed. Maybe one day I'll find a replacement. I still have the 2702 mixed Tanker Wagon Set with the Blue E44 Loco (won't make the same mistake twice), and also have the Orange Primex Container wagon which looks great. I'm sure there's something else tucked away but perhaps not. If I have any complaint about Primex, it's with the flimsy plastic orange packing - you only have to open a 'box' a few times and the plastic will start to split. Not at all suitable for opening and repacking as you can do often with the more robust cardboard packing. Cheers Steve Melbourne cookee_nz attached the following image(s):
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#10 Posted : 05 May 2012 10:30:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz I too like Primex, but really, what's not to like?, it's simply Marklin afterall. I am glad I've asked this question. It is something I had in my mind since childhood and my first electric set. I always remember how the white track always clashed with the brown and in those days every bit of track had to find some place, for a kid more was more. Also having to reverse the loco by shifting a lever was annoying. Yes,it is Marklin after all and while my view of it has been shifting over the years I always used to see Primex somehow as an inferior product which I avoided whenever possible. I have probably 5 locos and a couple of wagons I do regret selling some other wagons in the past. I may start considering it more seriously now, after all it's also rarer.
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Western Pacific		#11 Posted : 05 May 2012 11:08:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		Have only the PRIMEX set 2702 and I got that because of the Beige/Ozean 144 (Photo shown by Ray higher up) and a couple of PRIMEX passenger coaches, one 4192 and two 4193, that I have together with some MÄRKLIN 4037.
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#12 Posted : 05 May 2012 12:35:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Originally Posted by: Western Pacific Have only the PRIMEX set 2702 and I got that because of the Beige/Ozean 144 (Photo shown by Ray higher up) and a couple of PRIMEX passenger coaches, one 4192 and two 4193, that I have together with some MÄRKLIN 4037. Yep that's an interesting one, I also like the orient express set and the class24 in photoghrapic livery too. I do have and like the old brown electric that's in the photos up the top.
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 05 May 2012 14:22:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,695 Location: United Kingdom		I like the primex buy maybe buy it in the future.
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hennabm		#14 Posted : 05 May 2012 20:32:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,073 Location: Edinburgh,		Hi all I've not voted as the option for me isn't there. As I have never bought any I can't comment - however just looking at what they have produced I wouldn't necessarily say anything wrong against it as it is part of the M family. Mike
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3rail4life		#15 Posted : 06 May 2012 01:50:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		I like some Primex, don't have much, this is my latest addition and happens to be Primex 3191 Gordon
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nevw		#16 Posted : 06 May 2012 03:44:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		a Nice one Gordon. NN
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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biedmatt		#17 Posted : 06 May 2012 14:36:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		I like them because they are different. The old 60s look with the exposed headlamps appeals to me for some reason. I have the green E44 and a BR 23 as shown above. I bead blast the headlamps to give them a frosted look that softens the light. Unfortunatly only one in three lamps survive the process.
		Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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Ian555		#18 Posted : 06 May 2012 16:23:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: 3rail4life I like some Primex, don't have much, this is my latest addition and happens to be Primex 3191 Gordon Hi Gordon, Very nice. Ian.
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LMS800		#19 Posted : 06 May 2012 16:58:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Originally Posted by: steventrain I like the primex buy maybe buy it in the future. Hi, don't wait too long for buying ! Primex locos with original box in mint condition is the market of tomorrow ! They increase more in price than the identical Märklin loco !!! There is a simple reason for this development: Primex were the cheaper items of Märkin and sold via warehouses (Märklin only with special dealer). Primex were built simplified and robust (tough) - just for kids to play. The boxes were thrown away. Nowadays complete sets and locos / cars in box are very rare. Some of my friends focus now on Primex !! Regards Wolf
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3rail4life		#20 Posted : 06 May 2012 22:11:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		Thanks, Ian and Nev After looking through Bigdaddynz catalog posts and reading what Wolf wrote, I could imagine someone doing an all Primex layout or having a collection of all the Primex items mint in box. The catalog pictures of the large Primex displays are classic, I especially like the photo of the woman with her shopping cart at the oversized Primex display, how cool it would be to fill that cart up with whats on the shelves. Gordon
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Markus Schild		#21 Posted : 06 May 2012 23:34:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Originally Posted by: 3rail4life .... or having a collection of all the Primex items mint in box. Hi Gordon, Don't underestimate this. Getting the first 80% is just a question of the budget. But there is a number of items which are really hard to find. I collect Primex since decades and I still even don't know which cars exist in this type of box. I only know this one and 4587 (acid-can car without cans). Regards Markus
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#22 Posted : 06 May 2012 23:41:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Well, you've all convinced me of start cornering the market
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#23 Posted : 06 May 2012 23:44:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Originally Posted by: biedmatt I bead blast the headlamps to give them a frosted look that softens the light. Unfortunatly only one in three lamps survive the process. Wouldn't it be almost as effective and less risky to spray the glass with a matt top coat perhaps mixed with a tiny bit of white?
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Ian555		#24 Posted : 07 May 2012 08:47:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Markus, Very nice. Ian.
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3rail4life		#25 Posted : 08 May 2012 05:33:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Originally Posted by: 3rail4life .... or having a collection of all the Primex items mint in box. Hi Gordon, Don't underestimate this. Getting the first 80% is just a question of the budget. But there is a number of items which are really hard to find. I collect Primex since decades and I still even don't know which cars exist in this type of box. I only know this one and 4587 (acid-can car without cans). Regards Markus Hi Markus, That is very cool, I have never seen a box like that, only the plastic type, I do not think I will ever find a box for my Primex 3191. Good luck with your search for the the remaining 20%. Gordon
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RayF		#26 Posted : 08 May 2012 08:27:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Several of my Primex locos and sets have come in unopened boxes! I couldn't wait to rip open that original seal and get at the brand new goodies inside! What's the point in keeping something like this locked up in a box? You might as well have left it in the shop. My Primex trains are now free to run on a layout, as they were designed to do! (Preferably my layout!) The only downside to getting one of these unopened beauties is that it usually means that the motor and gears are totally stuck, and it needs a strip down and a good oiling to get it to run.
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Ian555		#27 Posted : 08 May 2012 10:46:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, I have Primex Set 2701 on my wish list. Ian.
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Markus Schild		#28 Posted : 08 May 2012 10:52:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi, Don't trust to much in "unopened" boxes. Märklin/Primex delivered replacement stickers to their dealers, so that they could show an engine out of the box and reseal it, when the buyer changed it's mind. It is every time suspect when a "rarity" or "never seen model" is corroborated with these stickers. Also with a warm hair-dryer the stickers can be removed nearly without any traces. Regards Markus
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biedmatt		#29 Posted : 08 May 2012 12:55:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone Originally Posted by: biedmatt I bead blast the headlamps to give them a frosted look that softens the light. Unfortunatly only one in three lamps survive the process. Wouldn't it be almost as effective and less risky to spray the glass with a matt top coat perhaps mixed with a tiny bit of white? Probably would work, but not sure how well the paint would stick to the smooth glass.
		Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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Markus Schild		#30 Posted : 08 May 2012 14:04:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Originally Posted by: biedmatt Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone Originally Posted by: biedmatt I bead blast the headlamps to give them a frosted look that softens the light. Unfortunatly only one in three lamps survive the process. Wouldn't it be almost as effective and less risky to spray the glass with a matt top coat perhaps mixed with a tiny bit of white? Probably would work, but not sure how well the paint would stick to the smooth glass. Hi, A frosted surface can also be reached by treating the glass with hydrofluoric acid. But as Wikipedia says: "Hydrofluoric acid is a highly corrosive liquid and is a contact poison. It should be handled with extreme care, beyond that accorded to other mineral acids." regards Markus
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RayF		#31 Posted : 08 May 2012 14:36:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Hi, Don't trust to much in "unopened" boxes. Märklin/Primex delivered replacement stickers to their dealers, so that they could show an engine out of the box and reseal it, when the buyer changed it's mind. It is every time suspect when a "rarity" or "never seen model" is corroborated with these stickers. Also with a warm hair-dryer the stickers can be removed nearly without any traces. Regards Markus Markus, thanks for the warning. The locos and sets I got in unopened boxes show no signs of ever having been used. As far as I'm concerned if the dealer opened the box and then resealed it it's not as if someone had bought it, played with it for 10 years, and then attempted to pass it off as brand new. Are there any Primex rarities? These were models that were sold cheap in supermarkets. There must be loads of them in circulation, including old unsold stock which has been sitting around in warehouses for years.
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Markus Schild		#32 Posted : 08 May 2012 14:53:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Originally Posted by: RayF Are there any Primex rarities? These were models that were sold cheap in supermarkets. There must be loads of them in circulation, including old unsold stock which has been sitting around in warehouses for years. Hi Ray, Not everything was sold in supermarkets, and most PRIMEX-items are produced in low numbers, at least very much lower than their Märklin-brothers. For example the AVIA-Box is coded with a print run of 3,000. Rare items of the last years are for example the V 200 with "Deutsche Bundesbahn" imprinted, the LMS / LNER tender-locos or the special imprintings on the small rail-bus or some goods-cars celebrating anniversaries. But the list is much longer. But don't need such "specials" to find rarities. Just try to find some rails in the early boxes with the green PRIMEX-logo (1969). Regards Markus
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RayF		#33 Posted : 08 May 2012 17:08:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Originally Posted by: RayF Are there any Primex rarities? These were models that were sold cheap in supermarkets. There must be loads of them in circulation, including old unsold stock which has been sitting around in warehouses for years. Hi Ray, Not everything was sold in supermarkets, and most PRIMEX-items are produced in low numbers, at least very much lower than their Märklin-brothers. For example the AVIA-Box is coded with a print run of 3,000. Rare items of the last years are for example the V 200 with "Deutsche Bundesbahn" imprinted, the LMS / LNER tender-locos or the special imprintings on the small rail-bus or some goods-cars celebrating anniversaries. But the list is much longer. But don't need such "specials" to find rarities. Just try to find some rails in the early boxes with the green PRIMEX-logo (1969). Regards Markus Thanks Markus. I thought I knew more about Primex than I actually do! I was not familiar with LMS / LNER tender-locos made by Primex. The other examples you gave I have seen before. I found these using Google. Do you have any better photos?
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Markus Schild		#34 Posted : 08 May 2012 18:35:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Ray, Sorry, I don't own these models. They are very hard to find. I heard a number of 120 of each produced, but I can't guarantee that number. Regards Markus
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#35 Posted : 09 May 2012 00:41:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Hi Ray, Sorry, I don't own these models. They are very hard to find. I heard a number of 120 of each produced, but I can't guarantee that number. Regards Markus They must be hard, isn't that a sticker for 280 Euros?
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LMS800		#36 Posted : 09 May 2012 13:10:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Hi Ray, Sorry, I don't own these models. They are very hard to find. I heard a number of 120 of each produced, but I can't guarantee that number. Regards Markus They must be hard, isn't that a sticker for 280 Euros? Hello, on ebay in Germany one rare Primex car is for sale ( 599 € - approx. 800 $ ), see here . Regards Wolf
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#37 Posted : 09 May 2012 13:54:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Originally Posted by: LMS800 Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Hi Ray, Sorry, I don't own these models. They are very hard to find. I heard a number of 120 of each produced, but I can't guarantee that number. Regards Markus They must be hard, isn't that a sticker for 280 Euros? Hello, on ebay in Germany one rare Primex car is for sale ( 599 € - approx. 800 $ ), see here . Regards Wolf Yes, I saw that one a few days ago when I started this thread I searched ebay.de to see what I could find. Where I couldn't find it was in my Kolls catalogue so now I know that not all the Primex products are listed there. Thank you, Alex
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TrainIride		#38 Posted : 09 May 2012 14:43:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,061 Location: FRANCE		Hi, I've only one Primex 25cm red sleeping coach. Looks great as its Mârklin brother. I'm looking for the frenchised P8 Primex #2701. But still too expensive for me! If these items are such priced, too many people have to like them... Regards Joël
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john black		#39 Posted : 22 May 2012 17:58:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Just like Ray I too been lucky to round up a modest collection of brand new Primex classics. True beauties. Love them the very same as my Marklins ...
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eberhardt		#40 Posted : 01 June 2012 18:52:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 77 Location: Staffordshire.		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Originally Posted by: 3rail4life .... or having a collection of all the Primex items mint in box. Hi Gordon, Don't underestimate this. Getting the first 80% is just a question of the budget. But there is a number of items which are really hard to find. I collect Primex since decades and I still even don't know which cars exist in this type of box. I only know this one and 4587 (acid-can car without cans). Regards Markus Hi Markus, I have a 4587 in the box and it has the acid cans. Is this a different model or were they sometimes taken out? I've never used it even though I've had it for years. I've just got back into modelling my Marklin and didn't realise that Primex was collectable. Thanks John.
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Markus Schild		#41 Posted : 01 June 2012 19:19:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi John, The 4587 was sold in different variations. Without cans, with grey cans (rare) and with brown cans. The 4587 w/o cans was sold in a picture-box like above and also in the card-board box with window. Regards Markus
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eberhardt		#42 Posted : 01 June 2012 20:41:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 77 Location: Staffordshire.		Thanks Markus, mine has the brown cans and is in the box with window. John. P.S. It only cost D.M. 6.50.
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RayF		#43 Posted : 01 June 2012 20:48:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		4541 1973 - 1975 4587 1975 - 1976 4587 1976 - 1977 4587 1977 - 1981 4587 1991 For comparison, here is the Marklin 4657. You can see what details have been omitted from the Primex version.
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eberhardt		#44 Posted : 01 June 2012 21:09:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 77 Location: Staffordshire.		Thanks Ray, mine is second from the bottom. I didn't realise there were so many variations. John.
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