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Offline KingBuick  
#1 Posted : 10 November 2011 17:22:09(UTC)
KingBuick


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Hi everyone. I have a question that's been puzzling me for a while now. I've seemed to notice that every year, the Märklin HO assortment has been getting larger, while the Z and 1 gauge assortment has been shrinking.

Does anyone know why that is? I think Z and 1 are getting extinct over time, as in some cases these gauges are impractical. Z gauge is too small, and 1 gauge Märklin engines are ludicrously expensive (typical engine in US$ is $3K).

I've liked 1 gauge simply for its size and functions, but it's not very practical. Z gauge is too small and not nicely painted and mechanically engineered as HO gauge. Plus, Z gauge is only analog, no digital.

Trix N gauge is more popular because it's digital and a bit bigger. If I wanted to I could see switching to N, but not Z, until they make some new technological advancements.

What do you guys think?

Cheers!

Tadzio.
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Offline Loadmaster  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2011 19:41:37(UTC)
Loadmaster

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Marklin still offers Z scale. I discovered it in the 90s while based in Germany. It was the right size for aircrew quarters plus many of the homes in Germany are small and the scale fits right in. Marklin offered a digital set in the early 90s but they had problems with it.
Now there are several manufacturers that offer the circuit boards that fit into some of their engines. There is a memeber of the Zo Cal group here in So California that even put a small speaker into the tender and it really sounds great. There is a German source that offers the digital circuit boards and they even have one for the GG1. I have two of those models and they pull a set of MTL PRR passenger cars. The one problem I have with the GG1 is since it is not very heavy, it doesn't pull many cars. I read that if ou weight down the engine, it will pull more. I also have the "Long Henry" engine and the set of 20 hoppers and it has problems pulling all 20 cars.

Concerning the 1 scale, don't forget that Marklin purchased LGB and there may be competition between the two divisions.

Robert
HOac and Z scale running SBB/BLS Era IV-V
Offline ozzman  
#3 Posted : 10 November 2011 19:58:14(UTC)
ozzman

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Marklin recently sent a letter to dealers and Insider members (possibly those who expressed a preference for Z scale) which said in part that they were still fully committed to Z, that they were "repatriating" production of Z items to Europe, and that there were in preparation some interesting developments - no hint of what those might be.

I go into Z for the same reason as a growing number of modellers - lack of space. I live in an apartment, hence no basement or double garage to spread out an empire.
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
Offline GlennM  
#4 Posted : 10 November 2011 20:20:55(UTC)
GlennM

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We run an LGB garden layout (which has now been dismantled as we are moving) which also runs Marklin 1 (collectively we refer to it as G scale). At present we have one Marklin Loco and three LGB locos including a fine mallet (in HO a BR96) with assorted rolling stock, and I love it. It is big enough to see, the tank cars carry water, and the flat beds can carry either a glass or can of beer, or a sandwich. Everybody who visits gets interested and it is a welcome diversion from the damn TV.

The weather in UK only permits usage in the summer, and I used it to get my son interested in model railways, and I think it has worked. He had is first LGB at 2 yrs old, and the Mallet was a fifth B'day present.

My chief complain is why is it so expensive, I know a lot of work goes into the loco, but the rolling stock, it is £45 for a tank car made of moulded plastic, and £140+ for a plastic moulded coach. I guess no many people buy the items and so they put the price up, and so less people actually buy it.

If you can afford it they even make real working steam engines to suit this scale of track, but then the costs are really getting high.

For me I love the G scale railway and next summer hopefully we will look to rebuilding the layout in our garden, and I hope for the sake of other people who have yet to enjoy this scale, please do not let it die just yet.

Don't look back, your not heading that way.
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 10 November 2011 20:21:34(UTC)
H0


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A few weeks ago Märklin sent an open letter to all Z enthusiasts. So there is no sign that Märklin are giving up Z scale.
See here:
https://www.marklin-user...uge-Fans.aspx#post302187

There was no 1 gauge Insider model this year, but I don't think they'll give up 1 gauge either.
LGB is the same gauge, but a different scale and a different clientele (good models of Swiss narrow gauge trains and caricatures of standard gauge trains). In the G gauge market, they have to face competition of newcomer Piko - they came into the market while LGB was moving from Germany to Hungary and had nothing to sell ...
Regards
Tom
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"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#6 Posted : 10 November 2011 20:21:52(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Robert makes an excellent point about LGB. Marklin can make their 1 gauge money there, assuming it is profitable.

At their pricing on the Marklin-branded 1 gauge stuff there really isn't a reason to push their line anymore. LGB really is the marklin of 1 scale in terms of market position anyways.

Z gauge I can't comment on, but remember that part of Marklin's strategy these days is offering a smaller range of higher volume products in order to increase efficiency. If true, that actually is a sign of health for the line. (although a bit boring for any avid buyers looking for new stuff)
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Offline old toot  
#7 Posted : 10 November 2011 20:48:27(UTC)
old toot

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Joined: 09/07/2009(UTC)
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Location: christchurch, canterbury
hi all
both are still selling well down here in fact the centrepeice of last weekends show was the big 10mt x 10mt I guage layout
and z laterly seems to have taken off,we even had a strange pattern in that the display case we had all the z
in was pushed off its base in the july 6.3 quake and i have had it on the floor since and we have a z layout in the top
of the case, and because of this they have been able to look down into this we have had a big increase in interest and purchases of the z range so some good things come out of earthquakes.
Marklin also have a lot of z down to be produced nov/dec as they get the new Europe production unit into action, so they will have it back under their control rather than at the mercy of when the east decided to make it.
I was just talking lgb with a chap last night and showed him the I guage Kof that was going out the door to a customer, and he was just drooling at the finish and detail.
we have always had a a saying in retail "show the stuff, to sell the stuff"
so that our perspective from down here
regards
old toot
were we pickit, packit and postit
Offline old toot  
#8 Posted : 10 November 2011 20:50:55(UTC)
old toot

New Zealand   
Joined: 09/07/2009(UTC)
Posts: 498
Location: christchurch, canterbury
oh yes the other thing is also Z scale decoders are
coming on to the market, which could make it really
interesting
old toot
were we pickit, packit and postit
Offline kbvrod  
#9 Posted : 10 November 2011 22:40:28(UTC)
kbvrod

United States   
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC)
Posts: 2,597
Location: Beverly, MA
Hi all,
As others have commented on Spur 1,let me comment on Z.
Märklin,did have some problems with Z and they are not going to abandon the scale they created.I can attest that supplies of Z-scale components are not readily available.As far as performance of a M Z-scale lok,I have, on loan, a BR 74 with 5-pole motor and it performs as well or better than most HO loks,....
DCC came to Z long ago and many are using it.Also US prototype Z is BOOMING!Cool

Dr D
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