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Offline nevw  
#1 Posted : 15 October 2011 06:01:44(UTC)
nevw

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Probably what I want to know is here somewhere but most likely in a number of different topics and Posts and my poor elderly brain cannot take it in.

Simply What I know is:
that some ESU and other Decoders are Railcom enabled. Firmware can be updated
ECOS Railcom can be turned on or Off
ESU Lokpilot & Loksound have it
Railcom is a bit like MFX and if Railcom is enabled on the Decoder and Controller (ECOS)
the Loco is recognised and registered and you can fiddle with the settings.

I Believe that IF using Viessmann Version of the S88 the loco location will be recognised as what block it is in.

So what will Railcom do and is any other expensive equipment needed.

Thanks.
Nev
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Offline river6109  
#2 Posted : 15 October 2011 06:35:10(UTC)
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Nev,

As you mentioned Railcom is a bit like mfx but more advanced.
For instance you buy an ESU sound decoder and you activate the RailcomPlus it will automatically recognize this loco, e.g. BR 01 etc etc.
Although the loco is detected you can change any of the settings and even taking the loco off the track it will store the information permanently in your command station unless you delete it completely.

It may also is more suited to 2 rail than 3 rail noticing the possible settings on either polarity of the track.

I haven't gone into that much but I believe with the new detection module, this will give you more options how to trace or control your trains.
there is a master module and than you buy slave modules.

For me at this stage it is a bit too far away as I'm still trying to do other things on my layout but will be incorporated when I get the time and understand more about how to use it.

What Marklin did in the early 80's with their digital system was remarcable, they had all the information ready by providing a proper instruction book how to connect everything and how to programm everything.

Lately these gadgets come out, they tell you how good it is to have one but nothing comes with it to convince you this is what you would like to add to your layout to improve the running or operation of your trains.
One member mentioned before the same goes for the ECoS, unless you buy one you don't get much information of what the ECoS is capable of and than you are permitted to join the forum after registering your ECoS.

So RailcomPlus, for me at the moment is still at its infant stage and I'm using the basics without any additional components.

Besides your question, what annoys me most is, previous produced products such as the Sound decoder
V3.5. are not capable of recognizing this system.

We are led to a destination, no one knows where we are going with it but we are led to believe this is the way to go.
It may be the case but we are getting bits and pieces like a jigsaw puzzle and unless you buy the detection modules, I haven't seen any other information or explanations what can be done with them and mind you my understanding isn't the best in the first place.


Here is a user guide for these modules:

Our ECoSDetector feedback modules should be used to automate train operations. Beside the usual track occupancy detection, the train specific identification number can be read. It also enables the implementation of an external track control board.
On larger layouts, the operator would want to determine the actual position of locos and trains. With the knowledge of which track section is currently occupied or of which track is still free in the hidden yard, an automated operation is made possible.
The ECoSDetector is compatible with all ECoS command stations or Central Station®s (providing the Central Station® has been updated with the Central Station® upgrade software) and is able to detect up to 16 track sections. Two-rail or three-rail tracks can be directly connected to the module. Beside the 16 track occupancy detectors or feedback sections, each ECoSDetector can also detect a locomotive ID on up to four track sections, providing that RailCom® decoders are used. If desired, the ECoSDetector functionality can be extended with the ECoSDetector Extension module. When docked to the side of the ECoSDetector, if offers up to 32 outputs, each displaying the status of the track sections with a control light or driving a suitable block signal.
Detection and feedback

The ECoSDetector is able to monitor up to 16 track sections and reports the presence of a loco (track occupancy). Each of the 16 inputs has a maximum current capability of 3A. The ECoSDetector module also has two separate power inputs, and can be supplied from two separate Booster units.
Opto-couplers are used to provide a reliable detection. Two or three rail operation is easily selected through jumpers.

Input devices

Up to 16 regular switching devices can also be used as inputs. Reed switches, detection track sections, push buttons or toggle switches can all be connected to the inputs. The information is then processed in the command station.

Train ID detection

Beside conventional track occupancy detection, each ECoSDetector has the additional ability to monitor four of the 16 track sections for train identification: Via the RailCom® technique (so-called „local detectors“) you will not only easily find out that there’s currently a loco on this track section, but also identify which specific loco it is (train ID detection). However, this only works with RailCom®-compatible loco decoders.

Smart

With the knowledge of the train specific position, new functions can be implemented, using the route control module of the ECoS command station. For example, you can automatically activate the horn of a loco when it is about to pass a railway crossing or determine which loco is parked in the hidden yard.
It is also possible to de-bounce switch inputs or track occupancy detectors electronically to ensure a reliable feedback in case of unreliable contact or very dirty tracks.

ECoSlink connection

Every ECoSDetector can be directly connected to the command station via the ECoSlink bus. Beside all ECoS command stations you can also use the Central Station® (updated with the Central Station® with software upgrade by ESU) The galvanic isolation of the bus systems and the command station guarantees the best-possible reliable operation and a reliable data transmission to the command station.
All ECoSDetector modules will be detected automatically by the command station and the information integrated in the operation control routine. The configuration of the devices can be also carried out directly with the command station after installation.

Upgradeable

When needed, the ECoSDetector software can be upgraded to add new functionalities. The command station will perform the required updates completely automatically. This will guarantee at all times that the ECoSDetector remains at the most current technical status.

John
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Offline nevw  
#3 Posted : 15 October 2011 07:00:01(UTC)
nevw

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Thanks John, A bit much to absorb BUT if I read right to get track/block occupancy you have to spend $$$.

Nev
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
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