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Offline anthpao  
#1 Posted : 28 May 2011 18:47:22(UTC)
anthpao

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Is there a way that I can make my TGV go faster and the speaker louder?
(without replacing the decoder with another one e.g Loksound)
Thanks.
Offline anthpao  
#2 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:25:33(UTC)
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Any ideas, anybody?
My Marklin TGV is a little slow (max speed 190-200km/h) and the volume of the sound is low, even at 100%.
Offline frankie  
#3 Posted : 01 June 2011 12:33:33(UTC)
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Some other posts claiming the same issues...
Alessandro
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Offline river6109  
#4 Posted : 01 June 2011 12:54:29(UTC)
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You can't produce or improve something, that has a lock.
Until Märklin unlocks its mfx protocol, you can forget about it.
Modelers who lock themselves into a system unfortunately have to put up with the consequences.

This is why I do not have a single mfx loco in my collection.

John
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Offline jeehring  
#5 Posted : 01 June 2011 13:03:56(UTC)
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......command station & on-board electronics how they fit together , both are important....
Did you try several speed curves on your central....have you try different settings of maxi speed and mini speed + acceleration time delay...
What is the type of your command station ?
Offline supermoee  
#6 Posted : 01 June 2011 14:29:31(UTC)
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Hello,

this was claimed from a lot of people. It seems to be a design problem.

The new Thalys PKBA runs quite faster following the first feedbacks in the net.

send it in to Märklin requesting to improve maybe with Thalys driver.
rgds

Stephan
Offline kbvrod  
#7 Posted : 01 June 2011 21:15:56(UTC)
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Hi John,all,

Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
You can't produce or improve something, that has a lock.
Until Märklin unlocks its mfx protocol, you can forget about it.
Modelers who lock themselves into a system unfortunately have to put up with the consequences.

This is why I do not have a single mfx loco in my collection.John


Well said,...another friend also thinks that mfx and the 'lock' stinks,...reminds me of the story of Märklin/Lenz and the NMRA,....
So this set:1) what type of motor? 2)where is the speaker?

Dr D
Offline RayF  
#8 Posted : 01 June 2011 21:33:17(UTC)
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This thread is yet another excuse for the Marklin bashers to have their say.

Both the maximum speed and the sound volume are fully adjustable using the MFX system. No amount of fiddling with arcane protocols will make it louder of faster if those settings are already on maximimum.

This is a design problem which Marklin have addressed in the later models. It has nothing to do with the MFX system being locked or otherwise.

I would follow Stephan's advice, and try to ask Marklin if they can do anything about it.
Ray
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Offline cyberbeast41  
#9 Posted : 03 June 2011 14:08:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: anthpao Go to Quoted Post
Is there a way that I can make my TGV go faster and the speaker louder?
(without replacing the decoder with another one e.g Loksound)
Thanks.


Yes, you can. But it's very complicated. It's more probable you'll ruin your TGV trying to improve than anything else.
I have the same problem with my model, but I'll leave it like that. It's not that it's slow as a snail and my other locos drive really slow anyway.
Offline TimR  
#10 Posted : 03 June 2011 15:14:36(UTC)
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If the Thalys is faster than the TGV POS;

Logic says fitting drivetrain, pcb, decoder (and other electrical components) from the Thalys spare list part should give you a quicker TGV POS.
If you replace Marklin's OEM decoder with a reputable third party decoder, you'll probably end up with a better runner too.

This is not recommended to do on a new Marklin, however.
It will also be an expensive exercise... why would you want to spend so many hundreds of Euros for a new model, only to have to fix it again yourself?

But chances are Marklin won't 'fix' the TGV POS only so that it can match the speed of the Thalys.
(no guarantee on top speed!)

37790 is currently on yellow light -
this might mean that the second production batch will contain the "fix";
but then it may not...

You can ask Marklin, but their customer service probably won't know the answer.
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline dntower85  
#11 Posted : 03 June 2011 16:57:13(UTC)
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Is the motor in the TGV a falber or a Caned motor, I can't tell from the schematic.
3 pole or 5 pole motor.. if you could get to the CV of the motor and it has a 5 pole motor and you could set it to a 3 pole it would go 1.66 times faster.

Looks like there is room to add a bigger speaker. Or drill some holes in the bottom cover to let the sound out.

I would leave the original sound decoder in, let it run sound and lights, change speakers. Then get a lokpilot, program it to the same address and connect its output only to the motor.

You can pick up a Lokpilot for less than shipping it off some where.
DT
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Offline RayF  
#12 Posted : 03 June 2011 18:03:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dntower85 Go to Quoted Post


I would leave the original sound decoder in, let it run sound and lights, change speakers. Then get a lokpilot, program it to the same address and connect its output only to the motor.

You can pick up a Lokpilot for less than shipping it off some where.


Not a bad idea.

...Unless the problem is with the motor/gear combination. It could be that the only way they found that it could handle the full weight of the train with one motor was to gear it to run slower. If this is the case, changing the decoder might not help. It might need someone to actually try it and report back to the rest of us.
Ray
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Offline dntower85  
#13 Posted : 03 June 2011 22:04:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dntower85 Go to Quoted Post


I would leave the original sound decoder in, let it run sound and lights, change speakers. Then get a lokpilot, program it to the same address and connect its output only to the motor.

You can pick up a Lokpilot for less than shipping it off some where.


I would also disconnect the original decoder while programing the cv's on the Lokpilot if setting speed and acceleration curves.

I have a type BR 41 that still has its original delta decoder in the tender and also a lokpilot. I did its conversion as a late night rush job before a train club meeting and never got around to finishing it. It has a throttle adjustable lights and smoke unit on a separate address. Huh
DT
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Offline igf2  
#14 Posted : 05 June 2011 01:07:39(UTC)
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It's really a shame that marklin didn't issue a TGV which run at a correct speed ThumbDown
Offline jeehring  
#15 Posted : 05 June 2011 08:08:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: igf2 Go to Quoted Post
It's really a shame that marklin didn't issue a TGV which run at a correct speed ThumbDown


.....320 km/h at 1:87 scale is about 1 meter / sec......
....I suggest you to build a High Speed Line .BigGrin
Offline xxup  
#16 Posted : 05 June 2011 09:27:46(UTC)
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Windigipet has a process whereby all your locos are calibrated to produce speed curve... The two step option (there is a 14 step option, but I am too old to see out all the testing) tests for 70 km/hr and 140 km/hr by selecting middle and full throttle.. By coincidence, I was able to speed the weekend (between washing loads) in the train room calibrating my fleet of operational (there are now three deaths) digital and delta locos..

At full throttle, one of my plastic bodied non-markin locos derailed on the R2 curve at the scale speed of 197 km/hr during the 140 km/hr test.. Incidentally, the fastest loco of the day was not the ICE1 camera train, but a 3430 with a 60760 decoder and a five pole motor which topped 205 km/hr during the 140 km/hr test! The Flying Hamburger was much faster than the 26020 ICE1 and the 37770 Zeppelin! This goes to show that Marklin do not scale the performance of their locos to prototype.. And the C-sines were the best performers of the day in that they had the same speed forward and backward!
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Offline anthpao  
#17 Posted : 06 June 2011 08:24:56(UTC)
anthpao

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Thank you all for your answers.
I bought last year a Taurus from Piko, analog without decoder. I converted it to Marklin system by adding a pickup shoe from Roco (56mm) and I added a Lokpilot 3 decoder.
With the decoder's default settings it can achive a speed of >400km/h (straight line) but it derails even in Marklin's R3 curve.
If I make the turns inclined, it doesn't derail even at R1 curve. If I "play" with the decoder's parameters I can make the Taurus run prototypically (max speed ~230KM/h).
My point is the Marklin should give its customers adjust such characteristics as they want and should NOT lock the decoders to pre defined settings.
So I need to try a loksound decoder and see if the problem is the decoder or the motor(s) or the drivegear.
Is there anybody who replaced the decoder? The second motor does it need a separate decoder?
If not i.e. the second motor gets power from only one decoder, do I need a decoder with more current capability like Loksound XL?
Thank you for your time.
Offline jeehring  
#18 Posted : 06 June 2011 13:26:44(UTC)
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.....one thing I'm almost sure about is that it's not a matter of drivegear....1 or 2 retailers suggested that it may be the drivegear and then.....start a buzz on the internet ! ....probably because recently they were confronted to the Roco model of SBB Ram for which there was a real problem of gear ratio, it was so slow that Roco had to send new replacement gears to retailers ....

BTW : 320 km/h at 1:87 scale is about 1 meter per second.....that's really fast , to avoid accidents with other trains a special High Speed Line is recommended ....BigGrin
Offline igf2  
#19 Posted : 06 June 2011 16:28:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: igf2 Go to Quoted Post
It's really a shame that marklin didn't issue a TGV which run at a correct speed ThumbDown


.....320 km/h at 1:87 scale is about 1 meter / sec......
....I suggest you to build a High Speed Line .BigGrin


Right but did you compared the speed of an ICE and of a TGV, both issued by Marklin. There is clearly a problem...
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