Hi!

I have a challenge, wonder if you can help - I am looking to recreate the following consist (that I travelled on last summer!):

EN237 Allegro Don Giovanni [Vienna to Venice, OBB rolling stock]
http://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=OeBB&cislo=237&rok=2010&lang=en

It consists of the following:

1. ÖBB Bcmz73 5991.2 x2 [light grey, blue stripe, "liegewagen" marking]
   
2. ÖBB WLABmz61 7171 x1 [grey, red roof, schalfwagen]
   
3. ÖBB Bcmz73 5991.1 x2 [grey, red roof, unserviced couchette]

Can anyone recommend some good quality (highly detailed) choices of coaches for this?

So far, I have come up with the following:

1. For the blue Bcmz73 5991.2, RAIL TOP-MODELL 32511 seems to be perfect - but are they still being made? Can't get stock anywhere! An alternative could be the Heris HI13087, not sure of the detail though.
   
2. The WLABmz61 7171 seems to be a very difficult one. ACME have a WLABmz 33a (ACME 52641), and LS Models have a WLABmz 7171 T2S (LS 47082). Anyone know if these are close enough? Is the T2S the same as WLABmz61?
   
3. For the red Bcmz73 5991.1, again there is a Rail Top (RAIL TOP-MODELL 32516) that looks spot on - but can't get stock. Does anyone know if they are still producing? Otherwise, there is LS Models 47058 which is apparently a Bcmz 59-90. How close is this to a 59-91?

The train will be pulled by a Piko 57426 Taurus in red OBB livery at the moment - looking for an OBB 1044 instead as I think more realistic for the consist, probably Roco 62443.

Thanks a lot for your help!!

Shaun

Hi Shaun,

Welcome to the forum.

Thanks for the replies, and the welcome steventrain!

Mike C - I checked all those places, useful tip - unfortunately no stock of the Railtop models. If LS are going to be making something similar, that might be another option. Hard to see whether their Bcmz 59-70's, in both blue window banding and grey/red, look similar to the real 5991.1 and 5991.2's without photos. Same story with their WLABmz T2s. (Is a T2s the same as a WLABmz61, do you know?) Hopefully photo's will be added somewhere before they go on sale :-)

Rinus - Thanks. ACME also look very good, but they don't seem to make these "current era" sleepers/couchettes?

Hi Shaun,

Now I see you are looking for Era VI rolling stock. I'm concentrating on Era IV ÖBB/FS myself.

I believe roco has a modern T2s in her programme. Jägerndorfer maybe?

What loco are you planning in front of the train? Rh 1216?

Rinus

I did not know you where interested in ÖBB too. You are working on an EuroNight transet?

I'm afraid I'm running out of budget for this year. I've got the Roco Neuheiten 2011 Rh 4010, Rh 1044 and Jägerndorfer Rh 1822 on order and I'm planning to do some things on my Brennerbahn lay-out which needs funds too.

These are difficult times

Regards,

Rinus

Rinus,

I decided to include an OBB EN consist in my collection after seeing the EN Wiener Walzer in person in Zuerich HB. The train includes a varied assortment of OBB sleepers and couchette coaches, ranging from the 1970s Bcmz, similar to the SBB RIC Coaches to the modern UIC-Z coaches and from the classic metal WLAB Typ P to the modern double deck WLABm and WLBm (ex-CNL), which have largely replaced the sleepers of the T2S design that were previously used on this route.

Today, this consist also includes couchette, restaurant and seating coaches of the Hungarian MAV. Here is the current consist (SBB Segment): http://www.reisezuege.ch...?action=13&komp=2430

As the T2S and the modern couchettes are not seen on this route anymore, my current priorities have been the limited production double deck (ex-CNL) coaches by LSM for Memoba Vienna and the coming UIC-X Bcmz in both white/blue and white/red/gray liveries. I will likely order one or two of the coming LSM T2S models as well, mostly to replace older models by Heris that I already have in my collection.

For OBB fans, ACME has a few sets, the Holland-Austria Express and the Wiener Walzer, which are both very interesting. For modern coaches, the RailTop ones were the best. Some dealers may still have the occasional item in stock.

Regards

Mike C

Shaun,

Welcome to the forum,

Can't you change your train ticket from Couchette and upgrade it to a sleeping car ?

Only joking.

I'm also interested in Oebb Model Trains

any photos of your current stock ?

John

Shaun,

I remember travelling on a train from Graz to Hannover in the late 50's and being a kid I've discovered we finished up in a carriage (DB) whereas you were able to fold down all the 6 seats.
The idea behind it was not only for sleeping but more or less prevented other passenger to occupy the compartment.

I have various Oebb carriages, from ERA 2 right up to ERA 5. bur haven't got any railjet carriages.
I've bought some Marklin ones many years back but in those days Marklin bought out a carriage, if you lucky a 1st & 2nd class car but never a consist of anything.

My Oebb locos consists of: mainly

E-locos: 1089(R), 1010(R), 1014()(, 1016(M), 1018(R), 1041(M), 1042(R), 1043(M), 1044(R), 4010(R), Have to get a 1020, 1670

than

Diesel: 2016, 2045, 2048,

and

4 steam locos, 2 x 2'10's, 1x 2'6' (Rh 674), 1 x 2' 6' 2' (Rh 86). (all Marklin)

regards.,
John

The Austria express looks lovely, so much detail! Even the calling stations written on. This is definitely what is swaying me to the LS models instead of going for complete accuracy. (i know the link is ACME but I am lead to believe quality is the same)

Hopefully Mike can advise on the differences between the Bcmz 59-90 and 59-70. From looking at photos, they appear pretty similar.

Have been looking at the Brawa 6342 Kitzbuhel gondola set the last couple of days too.... going to be an expensive year! ;-)

The Austria Express looks nice. The add-on NS WLAB MU completes the set very nicely.

Regarding OBB couchette coaches:

The 59-70 are older couchette coaches that were built along the lines of the SBB RIC coaches. There were various series of these coaches, some with 10 and some with only 9 compartments. These coaches are similar to the original K-Wagen Salon coaches, which were also developed along the lines of the SBB RIC coaches. The 59-90 are upgraded modified versions of this coach type.
http://www.railfaneurope...ight/Bc/59-70_0/pix.html

Models from Liliput (incorrect details) and newly announced from LSM

The 59-91 are more modern couchette coaches that were built along the lines of the OBB EC coaches from the 1990s.
http://www.railfaneurope...ight/Bc/59-91_1/pix.html

Models from RailTop some may have also been released by LSM from the same molds

A further set of couchette coaches (59-91) were built along the lines of the Modularwagen, which was intended to be the next generation of Intercity/Eurocity coaches.
http://www.railfaneurope...ight/Bc/59-91_2/pix.html

Both of these newer types are assigned numbers beginning with 73 81 instead of 61 81.

Models from Heris.

See here for more details on models:

Couchettes: http://www.modellbahninfo.org/data/oebb_pw_bc.pdf
Sleepers: http://www.modellbahninfo.org/data/oebb_pw_wl.pdf

OBB Traction and Rolling Stock: http://www.modellbahninfo.org

Regards

Mike C