 Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
|
Hey guys, Can anyone confirm that using a bi-stable relay- such as one on the link below, is definitely the way to connect a k-83 decoder to a signal module, then to the Viessmann light (ONLY) signal, or is this method wrong?? LINK TO Signal Module:http://www.neusens.de/sh...%3D249%26aid%3DSTLSBS%26LINK TO Bi-stable relay:http://www.conrad-intern...=SHOP_AREA_17035_1607513I am looking for the cheapest way around without having to purchase expensive K-84's. Could anyone explain the hook-up to a 6021 controller/6040 keyboard please? Any help would be greatly appreciated.   |
Glenn |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997
|
that signal module description states it is driven by an impulse. ("Ansteuerung : Masseimpuls") I take that to mean it is driven by a k83 and not a k84, so you wont need the relays.
My Viessmans signal modules are also k83 driven and the modules do the latching for the signal. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
|
Thanks Dale, yes I understandn what you are saying. i had another go today, however still no luck. I am still a little unsure whether the module has a bi-stable relay or not and whether or not I am correctly connecting it to the K-83? Appreciate your thoughts.  |
Glenn |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 08/05/2009(UTC) Posts: 590 Location: Sydney
|
Hi Glenn,
I use a Viessmann K84 (latching) decoder kit, controling the light for the signal and driving the relay in home made break module with non-latching relay, publish on this site some years back. If works well, and is a cheap solution. |
Regards Kenneth
CS1 update - K & C tracks - German Era 3B & 4, with some Swiss and Austrian visitors. - My Layout |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,193 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA
|
I use the LDT light controller LS-DEC-DB. It provides slow changes to the lights
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997
|
it said "Masseimpuls" so I would take that to mean a grounding impulse. Try just using a ground wire on its input to momentarily ground it. See if that triggers it to change the signal...
i.e. build up from known principles....
1. is the signal working (apply DC current to test according to signal instructions)
if so then
2. connect to signal module then try the manual grounding...
now I cant recall if k83 output is a momentary ground or non-ground output....
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
|
Dale, Lights are working off the module. I can change the aspect using the RED and GREEN wire that run to the K-83. This holds and you hear the relay ticking over with the change. However, when the relative button on the Marklin Keyboard are depressed- no change happens. Hope you would be so kind as to enlighten me further,   |
Glenn |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997
|
OK that is progress... now for the k83... connect two lights to the three outputs (red, green and yellow common)
this is to you can see when the k83 actually does something. (one light should flash for a moment each time)
Check that you have the correct address of the k83 module. How are you driving the k83 ? (I don't have the modern Märklin controllers so I wont be able to help there, but I do know you have to be using the right address) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
|
Hi Dale, Checked k-83 decoder address and it is correct, double-checked by installing another Marklin solenoid signal and worked as normal with Keyboard buttons. As for the Viessmann 4001 signal- * signal to K-83- no action * signal to module then red/green/yellow of K-83- no response * same as above but momentary ground HP0, HP1 etc...- relay ticked backed and forth- aspect changed but did not hold. So I think the momentary pulse action must be negative grounding..... Is that correct? The seller assured me they would work with K-83, but I can't quite get my head around it- even tried another module incase one was faulty, but still the same results Thanks for your help thus far.  |
Glenn |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997
|
I cant fault your logic...
you demonstrate the k83 works
you find a momentary grounding on the module works BUT it does not hold... - didn't you say before that it latched (held the aspect?)
>>I can change the aspect using the RED and GREEN wire that run to the K-83. This holds and you hear the relay ticking over with the change.<<
if that is so then it does sound like it wants a k84 rather than a k83 and the k84 would switch a ground to the signal module aspect input.
which brings you back to the original post of using a latching relay and a k83 to drive it...
but are k84s more expensive than k83s... what is the price differential? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
|
Using Viessmann Prices Ex VAT 5213 K84 31.92 Euro 5211 K83 10.41 EUR
Maerklin Prices a lot more
nn |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
|
Thanks Dale and Nev, for the info. Yes K-84 are expensive, Viessmann is a cheaper alternative, so I think I will have to investigate further. Maybe I will contact the seller again and seek further clarification, however my technical German is not the best when it comes to electronics and all technical talk.....lol  Maybe the bi-stable relay module would be the way to go, as this is all that the Marklin/Viessmann K-84 technically are. Thanx. |
Glenn |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997
|
yes, the relays will be cheaper combined with a k83. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
