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From last year's prices, if I recall correctly, lokshop was about 30% cheaper than Marklin's recommended prices. |
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Generally how much cheaper are stores such as lokshop etc than the official Marklin store? |
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Originally Posted by: SNAFU  Generally how much cheaper are stores such as lokshop etc than the official Marklin store? AS Ray quoted (post above) about 25 - 30% less. Then remove the VAT add on 2.5 % Lokshops "Export tax" and Postage. NN |
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Originally Posted by: RayPayas From last year's prices, if I recall correctly, lokshop was about 30% cheaper than Marklin's recommended prices. Normally, online dealers (including Lokshop) have 20% discount from retail price. I think Lokshop has a special price offer for 2010 New Items (cheaper than 2008 and 2009 items) - it wouldn't last for too long now that we're in 2011... and this deal may not be repeated for 2011 New items. |
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Originally Posted by: SNAFU Generally how much cheaper are stores such as lokshop etc than the official Marklin store? Hi Tony I keep track (and record) on all my purchases using a. Excel spread sheet. This way i can easily see trends and do all sorts of calculations and do price predictions / estimations. Based on the data of my previous 18 to 24 months Märklin purchases from Lokshop, Lokshop prices are 30 to 34.5% lower than the suggested Märklin price (for non MHI items). For MHI items the prices are 16 and 18.5% lower. I do not included VAT in any of my purchase prices comparisons from Lokshop, since i do not pay VAT when I purchase from Lokshop. Also I do not know whether the Märklin recommended price includes 19% German Vat or not. Can anyone out there confirm whether the Märklin recommended price includes 19% German Vat? If the Märklin recommended price includes 19% Vat and i compare the Lokshop (+19% Vat) price, then the non-MHI items are priced on average 20.69% lower from Lokshop. I only bought two MHI items, on one there was no price difference and on the second item 3%. Regards |
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Marklin include 19% German VAT in their price and if you are silly enough to buy from the shop you pay full price and VAT.
If you order by mail from RSA you will still pay VAT plus an overcharge for postage..
Only good thing about the shop is the seconds bin.
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Originally Posted by: mike c Mike, if you go to page 180 of the German edition of the New Items catalog, you will find the MSRP for each new item in euros, inc VAT. I have that page printed out and sitting next to my PC, for quick reference.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz
Mike, if you go to page 180 of the German edition of the New Items catalog, you will find the MSRP for each new item in euros, inc VAT. I have that page printed out and sitting next to my PC, for quick reference.
These are the prices which i used for my own "price" predictions / estimations, until Lokshop add the prices onto their web pages. I never buy from the Marklin store due to the hefty prices.  Lokshop gives good service and i will continue to support them. |
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Hi all,
I have reply from Marklin said the 26490 Blue Bird is limited to 1,999 set (Not the 999 set). |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Hi all,
I have reply from Marklin said the 26490 Blue Bird is limited to 1,999 set (Not the 999 set). Many thanks... |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Hi all,
I have reply from Marklin said the 26490 Blue Bird is limited to 1,999 set (Not the 999 set). Thank you Stephen! I did a wallpaper yesterday with the Blue bird that I have on my Playstation 3. |
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Can anyone out there confirm whether the Märklin recommended price includes 19% German Vat? Yes, Märklin RRPs include VAT. 19 % VAT means that you pay 19 Euro VAT when the total price is 119 Euro (RRPs include 15.96 % VAT). Divide RRPs by 1.19 to get price without VAT. |
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hi all we have all the New items 2011 prices in NZ dollars listed up on our site now for the last three days marklin trix and LGB plus 3% discount kiwis if you order before feb 3rd and remember that imcludes the freight into Nz and the insurance risk etc and we drop the GST 15% for export) so go for it and we have linked up the english descriptions if you click on the left side where the code says i.e mar and then the number with your mouse pointer another windows opens and you can click on the picture and it will come up even bigger so guys Dions done all the hard work go for it and you american folks will be pretty happy as well as a lot of the european counties and the swiss boys got the Red a6/6 they wanted they have done Happy spendi  ng old toot |
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Hi all & Mike C
Is it "worthwhile" going for sound etc in the new 2011 Ce 6/8 Krok #39565 Ep2 if you already have the Ce 6/8 Krok #39561 Ep 2?
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Originally Posted by: marklinsa Hi all & Mike C
Is it "worthwhile" going for sound etc in the new 2011 Ce 6/8 Krok #39565 Ep2 if you already have the Ce 6/8 Krok #39561 Ep 2?
Any suggestions / comments? To start with, a 39561 with large Sinus motor is a different model internally to the SDS 39562 - 39565. AFAIK this model can never be retrofitted with a newer decoder (full sound or otherwise).. this is due to the special driver electronic being integrated with its 6090x based decoder.. If you have any of the previous 39562, 39563, or 39564 with SDS motor - then these can be retrofitted with sound decoder; as the architecture of these SDS models allows for separate driver board. The decoder is plugged in to its 21-pin slot, so the original can be replaced with a full sound decoder, provided you can find one that fits. As 39565 is factory delivered with a full sound decoder, you will benefit from a tidy setup from the start. No need to fiddling around as with any of the previous models. |
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Originally Posted by: marklinsa Hi all & Mike C
Is it "worthwhile" going for sound etc in the new 2011 Ce 6/8 Krok #39565 Ep2 if you already have the Ce 6/8 Krok #39561 Ep 2?
Any suggestions / comments? Hi Herman, I guess it depends on whether you want full sound or not. Personally, I don't rate full operating sound on an electric to be that big a deal, so I would not consider it worthwhile. If you think that full sound is important, then you won't easily be able to upgrade your 39561, and you might want to consider this new loco. |
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Herman,
I was very impressed with the operation of the original Sinus motor. The 39565 has the new SDS Drive, which is also impressive. From what I can tell, other than the addition of sound and the change of motorization, the models are pretty similar. I don't know whether you are specifically modelling that era (Era II) or whether you already have a green Krok as well, but I guess it all depends on your personal preference.
If you have a big enough layout, you could potentially run the two in tandem in front of a large freight. Alternately, you could use one for freight and assign the other one to passenger trains. I am sure it would look good with last year's Liliput Gotthardbahn coaches in green.
The other thing to consider would be what other loks you have in your collection. There is also the Maerklin Ae 8/14, Roco's Ae 4/6, Be 4/6 and the Roco model of the other design for the Krok and the Ae 8/14 or even the earlier model of the Ae 6/6 (gray skirt and silver roof) available in a few recent Start Sets. If you don't have any of those, you may wish to consider those. If you don't have a green Krok with sound, you might prefer to look for the one from the 29680 Set, which had the SDS and full sound as well.
My expertise is primarily with the period since 1968 (when I discovered Swiss trains). I model trains that I have seen on trips to Switzerland and Europe in 1972, 1985, 1998 and 2003/2004. I am planning to go back at some point soon, to see the new RABe 511 doubledeck KISS (Flirt) trainset and the upgraded EC coaches so that I can add those to my "want" list.
I hope that this info is of use to you.
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Originally Posted by: mike c If you don't have a green Krok with sound, you might prefer to look for the one from the 29680 Set, which had the SDS and full sound as well. The Ce 6/8III from the 29680 set doesn't have full sound, there only is a whistle. The Ae 6/6 from this set has full sound. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: mike c If you don't have a green Krok with sound, you might prefer to look for the one from the 29680 Set, which had the SDS and full sound as well. The Ce 6/8III from the 29680 set doesn't have full sound, there only is a whistle. The Ae 6/6 from this set has full sound. Like 39564... |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz The 2011 new items brochure is now in the mailing with 1/2011 Insider package. |
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Evening Mike C / Tim / Ray & others
Somehow i got confused with Krok Ce 6/8 III 39562 (which i actually have) & 39561 - lapse of memory perhaps. The 39562 have SDS and some sound (not as comprehensive as the new 39565 Krok) and looking at the comments there is no "real need" to buy it. I also have the 'green' Krok 35960 with SD and an old analog AC Roco (#43941) Krok Ce 6/8 II (still to be converted).
Mike C, initially i tried to stick to Ep 2 for SBB as well (as with DRG), however after buying a new HAG Re 4/4 II (#160) lok in Zurich i am bound by the shotgun approach. Some more 2nd hand HAG loks followed the 1st.
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Originally Posted by: SNAFU Generally how much cheaper are stores such as lokshop etc than the official Marklin store? I can't compare against Marklin store, I haven't used them. At the start of January, the Euro was around 1.31 compared to AUD. AT that time, I paid around AU$400.00 for a 37193 using ECO delivery (around 7 weeks). It retails in Sydney for $755.00. I couldn't get it from US/CAN for less than $520.00 delivered. A 42229 set cost $220 delivered, ECO again. US pricing around $275.00 delivered. Not stocked in Sydney that I'm aware of. Premium delivery will get it here in 8-10 days. With the current exchange rates, Aussies have never had it this good buying from either Europe or the US. The recent flooding has impacted and the rate is now around 1.38, but I'll be worrying more if the exchange rate goes above about 1.45. Until then I expect to keep buying from Europe. However, not sure that all european stores deduct the 19% gst component. |
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Where to find release date for all 2011 items?
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Originally Posted by: Mulldog Lemon Originally Posted by: SNAFU Generally how much cheaper are stores such as lokshop etc than the official Marklin store? I can't compare against Marklin store, I haven't used them. At the start of January, the Euro was around 1.31 compared to AUD. AT that time, I paid around AU$400.00 for a 37193 using ECO delivery (around 7 weeks). It retails in Sydney for $755.00. I couldn't get it from US/CAN for less than $520.00 delivered. A 42229 set cost $220 delivered, ECO again. US pricing around $275.00 delivered. Not stocked in Sydney that I'm aware of. Premium delivery will get it here in 8-10 days. With the current exchange rates, Aussies have never had it this good buying from either Europe or the US. The recent flooding has impacted and the rate is now around 1.38, but I'll be worrying more if the exchange rate goes above about 1.45. Until then I expect to keep buying from Europe. However, not sure that all european stores deduct the 19% gst component. Marklin Store does NOT remove VAT for Export sales and their Pricing is RRP which no one appears to charge but this year they are trying to enforce RRP or no more than 10% Discount The majority of ON LINE stores will remove VAT.SOme EBAY Sellers of New Items will remove VAT. If in Doubt ASK. Lokshop will show VAT Free prices if you log in. I usually find that Economy post takes 10 -14 days to get to Brisbane BUT I have heard that about November DHL has gone to Sea Mail due to flight disruptions in europe and it costs less. (to them) NN |
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Originally Posted by: Kelvin Where to find release date for all 2011 items? Next week or so. |
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2011 delivery date.
36653 - Q3
37629 - Q2
37925 - Q3
37926 - Q4
39972 - Q1
43421 - Q1?
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Originally Posted by: steventrain 2011 delivery date.
36653 - Q3
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37925 - Q3
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All other 2011 items not yet date. Thanks Steventrain,any guesses on the 39392 BR 39 DRG Delivery for which quarter?
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Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538
Thanks Steventrain,any guesses on the 39392 BR 39 DRG Delivery for which quarter?
No date yet until next week, I guess it will be Q2 or Q3. |
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Hi The news of messelok of this years it confitms that will be BR53 37024 BR 53In camouflage paint scheme |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Hi The news of messelok of this years it confitms that will be BR53 37024 BR 53In camouflage paint scheme It is a war dept livery, Thanks for the link. |
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Hello All, A very nice list of 2011 models!!! But one thing does stick out to me- where are the Z scale models  ? Yes five maybe six this year but wow. I was expecting more models in Z  |
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Liefertermine 2011 The "Liefertermine 2011" (January 2011) are now online!!! >>> Märklin NetherlandsMaikel (RMW) |
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Thanks, RMW.
30050 delivery January 2011???? |
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Thanks Maikel, now I better start saving for the BR601 TEE set. |
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Märklin MY WORLD Märklin My World; an ICE-starterset for only € 50,00, the 36*-trains and more. Download the official brochure on my website: " Märklin My World". You can find more information on the website of Märklin Germany (Märklin.de). Maikel (RMW) |
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Strange. There are alot of old items that have new numbers.
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister All the "new" rails has different numbers. What´s up with that? Not only different numbers, see: "Verpackungseinheit: 4 Stück" or only " 2 Stück". Not "10 Stück" anymore in the MY WORLD-catalogue (= Hobby). Maikel (RMW) |
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Originally Posted by: RMW Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister All the "new" rails has different numbers. What´s up with that? Not only different numbers, see: "Verpackungseinheit: 4 Stück" or only " 2 Stück". Not "10 Stück" anymore in the MY WORLD-catalogue (= Hobby). Maikel (RMW) Yes, but also there are new numbers on the turnouts and the motor, 74492. |
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I think it is new hobby series such as low price Hornby Railroad.
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The F7 UNION PACIFIC  The new Köf  One of the showcase  The new line for the Megastore  In the next days there will be many pics about the Nuernberg fair in internet. So for now I post only this four. In my opinion this year we have a lot of beautiful models to buy, Märklin come back to the top. |
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Yikes! Look at those new fangled boxes! I might need to wear shades when shopping for Marklin. Thanks for posting your pictures Alberto.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Yikes! Look at those new fangled boxes! I might need to wear shades when shopping for Marklin. Did you see the ICE starter set? It was the ugly set at low price 50 Euro. |
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The ICE starter set is built for children 3 years old, is a toy, it's work is catch new baby railfans. All the new line is for supermarket and not for the model shop. Another pic   |
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