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Offline nevw  
#1 Posted : 30 December 2009 06:09:25(UTC)
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were there any locos like BR 40, 41, 42, 43

Or BR71,72,73,or 74??
If so who may have made a model of each.


Thought they make suitable presents for Birthdays or anniversaries.

Thanks,
Nev
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User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 30 December 2009 06:20:46(UTC)
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Nevie, there certainly were Locomotives in all of those classes (except 40).

Marklin makes a Br41.

Here's an articles on all the DRG loco classes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...lbuses#Steam_locomotives

I think there were also class 042, which were converted oil fired Br41's and class 043, which were converted oil fired Br44's, distinct from the 42 and 43 classes.

Possibly Fleischmann, Roco or Brawa may produce models of the locos you mention, but I don't know exactly, off the top of my head.
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#3 Posted : 30 December 2009 08:29:51(UTC)
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Marklin have done the 41, 43, 44. Don't know about the others
Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 30 December 2009 09:30:09(UTC)
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For the "40" you could get a nice new E40.
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#5 Posted : 30 December 2009 10:13:02(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />For the "40" you could get a nice new E40.

Its a thought

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and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline xxup  
#6 Posted : 30 December 2009 10:33:55(UTC)
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I think that 040 (as in oh 40 has a nice ring to it) 37556...
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Offline nevw  
#7 Posted : 30 December 2009 11:51:48(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />For the "40" you could get a nice new E40.

do you have a number.

NN
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Offline RayF  
#8 Posted : 30 December 2009 11:54:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />For the "40" you could get a nice new E40.

do you have a number.

NN


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Offline Breitenfurt  
#9 Posted : 30 December 2009 14:12:24(UTC)
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I think you will find that the leading '0' on the steam loco numbers were added at the start of Epoch 4 to bring their numbering into the computer age where all loco numbers were of the form CCC NNN-X where CCC was the class, NNN the number within the class and X a checksum digit calculated from the previous 6 digits. Where there were more that 999 locos within a class then two consecutive class numbers were used, e.g. 011 and 012 were originally BR 01's (in effect CC NNNN-X).

Of course, the BR41 (041) and BR42 (042) classes were completely different, the former being Einheitsloks type 1'D1' h2 introduced in 1936 whereas the latter were (except for the BR42.90 series) Kriegsloks type 1'E h2 introduced during WW2. The BR43 (introduced in 1926) had the same wheel layout as the 42 but with three cylinders which makes the front end a bit more interesting. (In N and Z) Arnold, Marklin and Trix made BR41s and Roco made the BR43. No-one made the BR42 except that Marklin and Trix made the BR42.90, as did Marklin.

Re BR71,72,73,or 74.
Only Intermodel made a (Prussian design) 1'B1' BR71 and at a hell of a price! I haven't checked the Epoch 1 versions of this loco. As far as I can see no one has made BR72's and 73's. The (ex Prussian T12) 1'C h2t BR74.4-13 is/was produced by Arnold and, of course, Marklin.

Chris.
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#10 Posted : 30 December 2009 15:24:48(UTC)
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Maybe BR42 with oil tender included 2010 range?
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#11 Posted : 31 December 2009 00:31:52(UTC)
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Thanks all for the information.

Nev

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and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 31 December 2009 11:34:08(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71
<br />Marklin have done the 41, 43, 44. Don't know about the others

Märklin never made a BR 43 (they had a typo announcing a BR 043 as BR 43).
BR 43 is available from Fleischmann as a 2009 new mould. All BR 43 locos were left in GDR, it never ran for Deutsche Bundesbahn.
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#13 Posted : 31 December 2009 11:38:33(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Maybe BR42 with oil tender included 2010 range?

Maybe BR 042 (with oil tender as all BR 042 had oil tenders) will come 2010 or 2011 or one of these years.
Same boiler as the new 03.10 coming 2010, but a new BR 042 is pure speculation now.
Makes sence that M* will exploit the new mould for as many locos as possible. But I don't expect it in 2010 as it would be competition for the exclusive insider model.

BR 42.90 (available from Märklin) is not a BR 42, it's a modified BR 52.
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#14 Posted : 31 December 2009 11:49:34(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Chris Manvell
<br />Of course, the BR41 (041) and BR42 (042) classes were completely different, the former being Einheitsloks type 1'D1' h2 introduced in 1936 whereas the latter were (except for the BR42.90 series) Kriegsloks type 1'E h2 introduced during WW2. The BR43 (introduced in 1926) had the same wheel layout as the 42 but with three cylinders which makes the front end a bit more interesting. (In N and Z) Arnold, Marklin and Trix made BR41s and Roco made the BR43. No-one made the BR42 except that Marklin and Trix made the BR42.90, as did Marklin.



Not sure if you are quite correct there Chris, at least as far as the classes 042 and 043 are concerned. As I said in my previous post, the class 042 were rebuilt oil fired Br41's and the class 043 were rebuilt oil fired Br44's. These two classes were completely different to the original Br42 and Br43 classes. The classes 042's and 043's were introduced in 1968, when the new numbering scheme was introduced. The original Br42's were all retired by the DB by 1960, so that freed up the 042 designation, and as all of the previous Br43's ended up in East Germany, the DB was also able to use the class designation 043 for something else.

References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_41

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_42

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_44
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#15 Posted : 31 December 2009 11:52:33(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />Or BR71,72,73,or 74??

There was a BR 71.
Liliput introduced a H0 model in 2009.

Neither of the classes 72, 73, 74 existed.
These numbers (and 71 also) were used to list several era I classes.

Märklin made a model of BR 74.4-13 (e. g. #30951) and introduced a new mould in 2009 starter sets (#29161).
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Offline Breitenfurt  
#16 Posted : 31 December 2009 11:58:54(UTC)
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Thanks for the corrections all.

I was sure that the 042/043 were oddball numbers but, as I was going from pillar to post yesterdays, didn't spot them in my reference books. I should have remembered about the BR42.90, sorry.

Happy new year all,
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#17 Posted : 31 December 2009 12:00:55(UTC)
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Hi!
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Chris Manvell
<br />Of course, the BR41 (041) and BR42 (042) classes were completely different, the former being Einheitsloks type 1'D1' h2 introduced in 1936 whereas the latter were (except for the BR42.90 series) Kriegsloks type 1'E h2 introduced during WW2. The BR43 (introduced in 1926) had the same wheel layout as the 42 but with three cylinders which makes the front end a bit more interesting. (In N and Z) Arnold, Marklin and Trix made BR41s and Roco made the BR43. No-one made the BR42 except that Marklin and Trix made the BR42.90, as did Marklin.



Not sure if you are quite correct there Chris, at least as far as the classes 042 and 043 are concerned.

I think Chris is mainly correct.
There are several classes that were assigned to multiple "class" numbers in 1968, including class 50 (050, 051, 052, 053), class 01.10 (011 (coal), 012 (oil)), class 41 (041 (coal), 042 (oil)), class 44 (044 (coal), 043 (oil)).
Both class 041 and 042 are former class 41 locos.

BTW: class 01 is completely different from class 01.10.
They had more than 100 classes they needed to register, so the digits behind the dot do make a difference.

DB never had class 43 locos. Classes 42 and 52 were out of service before 1968. There never was a class 11 or class 12 with DRG, DR, or DB.

Fleischmann made a BR 43 in H0, not Roco.
Regards
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Offline Breitenfurt  
#18 Posted : 31 December 2009 13:13:31(UTC)
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Sorry, I had slipped into N scale mode when I wrote that. Roco did market the BR43 in N (I have two) but obviously not in HO. I had assumed that they woudl have done in the same what that Marklin/Trix tend to issue the same models in various scales.

All the best,
Chris.
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#19 Posted : 31 December 2009 14:45:12(UTC)
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Chris, since this is the General MRR forum we should specify the gauge for every model we mention (I didn't either).
So for BR 43, we have:
Gauge H0: Micro-Metakit and Fleischmann
Gauge N: Roco
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