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Offline mjrallare  
#1 Posted : 24 October 2009 20:27:05(UTC)
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Information from Märklin:

http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/fa...4-Boostereinsatz_div.pdf


There's been a lot of confusion about this matter in different forums (also in this one). I'm very glad that Märklin finally made a clarification.

Although they do contradict one of their previous statements (at the very bottom): wink

http://www.maerklin.de/de/produ...euerung/digital/faq.html


But the main thing is that they came with the clarification. Now I know what the recommendations from the manufacturer are!

/Torbjörn
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 24 October 2009 20:52:54(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mjrallare
<br />Although they do contradict one of their previous statements (at the very bottom): wink

The previous statement said that you don't need a centre rail rocker if there is no permanent connection.
A loco or a coach standing there would make a permanent connection.

Now they recommend a centre rail rocker - maybe to be on the safe side.
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Tom
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Offline supermoee  
#3 Posted : 26 October 2009 12:06:40(UTC)
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Hello Torbjörn,

strange, on the Märklin homepage on the product description of the CS2 it is mentioned, that no skilifter is needed between CS2 and 6015/6017 powered sections.
In the Märklin document you are linking to the opposite is mentioned.

What is right??

on my layout I do not have skilifters and everything is working well.

rgds

Stephan
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Offline mjrallare  
#4 Posted : 26 October 2009 14:36:41(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee
<br />Hello Torbjörn,

strange, on the Märklin homepage on the product description of the CS2 it is mentioned, that no skilifter is needed between CS2 and 6015/6017 powered sections.
In the Märklin document you are linking to the opposite is mentioned.

What is right??
...


Hi Stephan!

That's exactly what I was referring to when I spoke about "contradiction" above. This document was just recently published in the Märklin FAQ (16th October), so I guess this list is what counts.

http://www.maerklin.de/faq/post...p;Board=DigitalAllgemein



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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee
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on my layout I do not have skilifters and everything is working well.
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Yes, so it is clearly possible without problems. Maybe this is a trade-off between different views at Märklin (warranty issues plays a large part I guess)? As Tom says they probably just want to be on the safe side. But still, it's good that Märklin finally states how they think it should be done.

/Torbjörn
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Offline Gregor  
#5 Posted : 26 October 2009 15:05:41(UTC)
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Hi All,

How stringent is the requirement for separated masses of individual track sections ?

Chances for two sections of center rail being connected by a slider exactly on the partition line seem very low compared to chances of a complete train being parked on a partition line, thus making a connection between the two mass sections.

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Gregor
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 26 October 2009 15:45:40(UTC)
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Hi, Gregor!
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gregor
<br />How stringent is the requirement for separated masses of individual track sections?

M* take it serious. They say you got to use 6017 Booster if you're running on M track.

Some rumours say you need it to avoid radio interference.
Other rumours say you don't need it if you power-up CS2 and boosters at the same time.

At least the loco will make a connection.
A long tin-plate train will make a long connection (plastic coaches without light will only make very short connections (wheel by wheel)).
Locomotives will make connections - and the Big Boy is long.

The leaflets that come with Tams Boosters clearly states that you must not park trains on such a junction and that you shall make that junction at a location where trains drive swiftly.

Long story short: I don't know, but I wouldn't put expensive hardware at any risk.
Regards
Tom
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Offline rschaffr  
#7 Posted : 26 October 2009 16:49:50(UTC)
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There is much confusion and disinformation on this issue. Someone needs to clarify it. When I was considering buying a CS, I contaccted M tech support on this issue. I described my layout (all rails as one continuous mass with six booster segments) and they said that as long as I kept the mass feed to the CS separate from the rail system, I was ok. Granted I am using 6017-type (LDT) boosters, but they said this wasnot a problem. One thing to consider...if you use the S88 bus, the mass sections will be connected through the S88's regardless as to how you separate the rails. At any rate, I decided to stay with my Intellibox and my computer control, at least for the present. As to lifters, I do not use them and have had no problems.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Offline perz  
#8 Posted : 26 October 2009 23:56:36(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0

Some rumours say you need it to avoid radio interference.



I think that rumuor came from me. It was an educated guess, no inside information.
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