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gachar001
#51
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21 October 2009 23:19:15(UTC)
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In the last 18 months I purchased new Marklin -
1. 43600 Amtrak car set, new old stock - Looks fine. I have not tried it yet as I just received it today
2. 29680 Swiss mega starter set with CS2 - Flawless. Crock needed oil, CS2 flawless
3. 29821 - Mega starter set - BR50 loco had weak speaker. Dealer fixed it but sound still weak
4. 37993 - Big Boy - Loco flawless. Wooden stand had some damage due to improper mounting of loco
5. 36080 - V80 - Flawless
6. 37653 - S260 - Flawless but noisy motor
7. 37772 - SVT04 - Body vibration during horn sound function. Have not been able to fix it yet and it is not worth sending back
8. Various cars, wagons and sets - flawless
9. C track sets, C tracks and switches - flawless
10 - 74490 - Turnout solenoids - Unusually high failure rate
11. - 39970 - Caternary maintenance car - Slight wobble (many other owners have reported this)
12. 37610 - UP Alco PA-1 - Flawless
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Davy
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22 October 2009 01:54:24(UTC)
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<br />Quality is now much better then three years ago.
Other firms have much more problems now with their quality then Marklin now have.
Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches.
What exactly are the problems that you have experienced with the correct-to-scale Roco coaches? I have many of them, and so far no problems at all.
Skewed on their wheels. The coaches were a little twisted.
M-track with a CS2.
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22 October 2009 02:18:27(UTC)
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<br />Quality is now much better then three years ago.
Other firms have much more problems now with their quality then Marklin now have.
Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches.
What exactly are the problems that you have experienced with the correct-to-scale Roco coaches? I have many of them, and so far no problems at all.
Skewed on their wheels. The coaches were a little twisted.
Do you know why that happened? Factory flaw? What did you do about it?
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mike c
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22 October 2009 05:29:34(UTC)
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Other than two Roco 44976 coaches (already mentioned) where the addition of some detail parts caused a weak point and break in the the support for the axles, I have not experienced a single problem with any of my 1:87 coaches from Roco. The broken bogies were immediately replaced by the dealer.
I have noticed (once again already mentioned) that on some Roco coaches, I have had problems inserting the Maerklin 7203 coupler into the NEM shaft. I have been able to install Fleischmann Profi and Roco Universal Couplers without any problem. I do not know whether the Roco shaft opening has become tighter or Maerklin's couplers have a larger shaft than before. I have been able to solve the problem by using the Roco Universal Coupler, installing older Roco coupling shafts from a spare parts supplier or swapping Maerklin couplers with older stock on earlier Maerklin coaches. This problem has not yet been attributed to a specific manufacturer.
Other than that, the only other problems I have had has been with Liliput-Bachman SBB UIC coaches where the design resulted in the coupling shaft being a little over a mm too short, causing coupling problems when using close couplers. I solved this issue by using Roco's Universal Couplers, which have a little added length vis-a-vis the Maerklin ones. The same solution was also applied to select coaches from LS Models, RailTop and ACME as Modern Gala was also slightly off from NEM norms in earlier models.
In the last 18 months, I have bought 3 Maerklin Hobby Loks, 8 Maerklin Loks, 8 Roco Loks, 1 RailTop Trainset, 2 Liliput Trainsets and 3 Hag Loks.
They all have their positive and negative points, but they are all integral parts of my collection and hold special memories of trips to Switzerland for me.
Next in line are the Roco Re 4/4II 11109 Swiss Express and the Maerklin RABe EC followed by the Maerklin Re 10/10 and Roco ICN in 2010.
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davemr
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22 October 2009 13:33:05(UTC)
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Hi Mike. Nice selection of locos and coaches. Roco do provide a lot of detail parts which are a bit flimsy but then I suppose it is getting them to scale.
Good to see that apart from being a Marklin enthusiast you have a wide range of other manufacturers which for the three rail hobby person is I think important.
Roco and Brawa do a good job for us in that we have a choice and Marklin has some competion.
This thread could be useful if it got back to the manufacturer who could take note to inprove on weak points in models.
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Oscar
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26 October 2009 08:09:41(UTC)
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Right, let's see where we stand. Only counting Märklin items that were listed as bought recently; starter sets and batches of C-rail were counted as 1 item, turn-out motors were counted individually, provided that exact numbers bought were mentioned. Instances were the owner accidentally broke off a fragile body part were not counted as defects, unless there were other problems with the model.
-Total # of items counted: 80
-Flawless: 59 items (73,8%)
-Technical problems: 11 items (13,8%)
-Cosmetic problems: 2 items (2,5%)
-Structural problems: 2 items (2,5%)
-Design problems: 6 items (7,5%)
-Total # of problems: 21 (26,3%)
On the Dutch Märklin site, an
announcement
has been made by Märklin that they will increase quality control, as a consequence of this delivery of new models might be delayed.
@TimR:
the # of Trix items mentioned in this thread is too low to make a difference. And if Trix is included, then should I also include LGB? It's a slippery issue to I decided to stick with Märklin
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26 October 2009 11:46:21(UTC)
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The figures show a much larger number of faulty models than I would have thought. Apart from the poor quality given to the customers Marklin must be spending a lot of cash on repairs and replacements.
Good to see that quality control will now increase.
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26 October 2009 14:34:03(UTC)
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<br />The figures show a much larger number of faulty models than I would have thought. Apart from the poor quality given to the customers Marklin must be spending a lot of cash on repairs and replacements.
Good to see that quality control will now increase.
Fixing items under warranty is always more expensive than better quality control overall.
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