I am trying to understanding which bit you think is wrong. Could you please comment if I am working with the same situation as you

With reference to the following, I presume that the correct double slip ICON has been selected and that you have a defined area on the keyboard that looks the same and is able to switch to each of the 4 aspects shown

In my case I am using address 13 and 14

NW-SW orientation : pressing button causes 14 Red 13 Red

NE-SW orientation : pressing button causes 14 Green 13 Green

NW-SE orientation : pressing button causes 13 Red 14 Green

NE-SE orientation : pressing button causes 13 Green 14 Red

Thus, There are 4 different states (pairs of commands) sent by the CS2.

Is the problem that the ICONs don't match ( but you can get all 4 states) ??

Using your Scenario switching from left curve (I call NWSW) to right curve (my NESE) I can see that , as you state only one solenoid state changes.
Presumably, if NWSW is set up correctly to match the physical turnout then selecting the (wrong) NESW aspect icon (bottom left) on the CS2 will achieve the desired physical state (because it changes both solenoids). Is this correct ?

Hello, I'm new here in the forum but not new in the hobby of modeltrains. I startet in 1963.

I have discovered another problem in the CS 60213 and 60214.
When you are switching the routes (turnouts and signals) in the position automatic of the CS, then it will happen that at one moment some of the accessories won't switch. That is the moment that the CS is receiving information from the boosters and another CS about temperature etc. Of the whole route one, two or three articles won't switch and everytime it is another article. [B)] So it isn't the turnout.
You will only see this problem when you have many turnouts / signals. In my situation I have 30 trains on the track and 10 trains are running at the same time, so the CS is very busy.

Welcome to the forum, Steamer01!

Cheers,
Ranjit

Hello Nigel,

this problem is know since appearing of 60213. In the Märklin FAQ you can read the workaround: install the double switch as 2 single switches.

This bug will be solved in future, but since there is a workaround it has low priority for the programmers.

kind regards

Stephan

There is a new issue with the CS 60213 / 60214.
Since the latest update the synchronization-function has disappeared. I talk about the 2nd CS2 in the processing mode.
It has worked (with some problems) before the new update was implemented.

Steamer01

Issue 1: Support for K-track 2275 double slips is incorrect. I will try and explain:


Stephen,

I take issue with this,
a) It is not the Programmers the set priorities. It should be the user advocates but is generally marketing (with CFO input as leverage)
b) A workaround is still an issue that needs resolution

This could be fixed in 5 minutes followed by 1 or 2 hours (max) of regression testing (which is not done by programmer anyway).

Furthermore, any known issue should be documented in any release notes along with a targeted fix release - if not a date, along with a new feature list and a bug fix list. This allows people to track both the fact that a problem exists and when (and how) it is resolved, rather than occasional FAQs that may be stumbled across.

Hello Clapcott,

it is the project manager of the CS2 project who set's the priorities.

And it is not that easy as you describe it, believe me.

And I'm sure that this development list is existing for internal use. Since it probably contains, together with the bugs, future features to be integrated, it is not in the interest of Märklin to make it of public domain. The competitors would know in advance what Märklin will do and follow up two lists, one public, one secret, is a waste of time and money. Not good in a period of csysis.

And the competitros did not have a list. But this is not disturbing anyone.

rgds

Stephan

even if they wouldn't I'm sure you would find something to complain about

rgds

Stephan

Of course they have !
If you knew really who is he and what was his career, you didn't talk like that !
And last but not least , which is great above all : he was also a hobby train enthusiast.
In passing, he and his team are human beings...

Peter is the forum genius. If he says it is the Project Manager that causes the problem then that is what it is
I think 99% of knew it was tongue in cheek as was mine re the assistant project manager. These guys are everywhere making sure things dont work the way they should[:I]

As I said, it was a tongue in cheek comment, no need to take it so seriously!

Hello Bigdaddy,

According to you Marklin should have Microsoft write the Software for the CS2.
That way we will get Bug-Fixes every week for the next 10 Years.

Microsoft is still sending me UPDATES for Windows XP.

At least with the Marklin CS2 you do not get " A FATAL ERROR HAS SHUT DOWN YOUR COMPUTER WOULD YOU LIKE MICROSOFT TO LOOK INTO THAT PROBLEM [B)]".

To come to the point most CS2 users have (after the now available updates) no Problems what so ever in using it and I am sure that the few Problems (which are here posted) will be sorted out.

Martin

Hi, all of you.

I don't expect that you give several solutions for the software-items. I only give a feed back of what I have discovered with the 60213 combined with the 60214. The problems I mentioned have nothing to do with the latest update. Everytime when an update comes, the CS 60213 / 60214 will work finer. But there are some problems that we have to mention. I report all the software-experiences to Märklin (in German), so the can work on it. Not everyone has such a big lay-out as I have (with 8 boosters that have to give feed-back to the CS and also a 2nd CS).

I haven't done all the experiences. I am still finding out some things and yesterday evening I found out that when you have the first CS (60213) only in use for the lay-out and the second CS (60214) in use as a controller, that the problems of non-switching routes during the search to another locomotive (in the long list of about 60 locs) dont't appear. The experience was only with six trains on the track and I haven't figured out yet what will happen with 30 trains on the track that drive automatically. (I have that possibility). I need more time for that.
But it is still necessary that the software will be developped to an higher level. I am glad with my two CS's, but Märklin is happy with some feed-back about large and complex lay-outs. So we can help each other.
I wonder if one of you has the same experiences with two CS's (or more) connected together with the sometimes non-switching signals / turnouts when the many boosters are giving feed-back about temperature / current and when you are choosing another loc out of a long list and if you have seen that the possibility of synchronisation has disappeared since the latest update?
(hw 60213 = 3.1 and 60214 = 3.4; sw both 1.2.5 - 1).

Steamer01.

Thanks for the reaction mr. Hemmerich, so that are two of us that think in the same direction.

Steamer01

To me, it looks like a software threading priority problem regarding Steamer01:s issue... Operation critical processes should always have priority over "administrative" tasks in a unit that is supposed to control timing-critical tasks...

In an operational scenario, you rely on the control unit to be as failsafe as possible and accept some delay in GUI updates or other non-critical stuff...

If it is like Peter suspects, which is also a credible scenario, there is a simple software bug sending commands to the track without the necessary minimum solenoid switching delay between the commands...

I can't see why eg reporting a boosters temperature should be as "important" as operation control to the degree where it endangers operation reliability...

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Thanks for an answer. I have tried it out. This evening I had 24 trains running on the track and there were no failures with the switching of routes. But as soon as you are searching on the CS2 for another train on the controller, than there were two signals that didn't switch from red to green.
As told, when you do nothing but automatic driving, everything seems to work properly now. But Märklin still has to work on the rest of the problem.
Steamer01

There are much more than a hundred of signals and switches. At the same time there are about 8 routs that are operating and I can see that one route is not first finished before the other rout is going. All routs are switching in mixed mode.
The maximum on my tracks are 30 trains that are running together.
There are more than 40 routs, but only 8 can switch together.

Steamer01

Can you describe what you are using for feedback? Your K83, K84, and S88 are these Marklin using track power, or LDT / Viessmann using independent power source?

Of the 25+ trains you are running at a time, how many are MFX?

Do you use any PC control software?



r/Thomas

Today, 9 Oktober 2010, I did the same but now with 29 trains and almost everything went good. One of the trains was a shuttle. I tried it out for half an hour but than I should not use the controller (CS2) for otherwise there will be some problems. During the 30 minutes everything was going fine only the shuttle went in a wrong direction for one time and one signal didn't switch to green.

Steamer01

I use mfx and fx loco's together. There are more than 60 loco's and some other functiondecoders in wagons / cranes, .....

Steamer01