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Hi All,
I have 2 HAG trains on order.
One is the HAG 34001-32 SBB GTW 2/6 Stadler AC DIGI SOUND due for release in September and the other HAG 15004-31 SBB BDe 4/4 AC DIGI Railcar.
I own Roco,Fleischman and mainly Marklin Locomotives.
This will be my first HAG Locomotives and I have been reading on the net that they are the some of the best/finest loco's out there.
Can the owners of HAG,please share the thoughts on their products?
King Regards
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Excellent in general. Small selection with many many repaints.
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Troy
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Hi,
I have a few of them, I've had and sold a few more.
For my personal taste, new generation Hag models are among the best: they are robust, they run very silent and smooth, their mechanics are simply indestructable, ball bearing rotors are great. Workmanship, packaging, and technical support you might need are also very very impressive.
All in all I'm very pleased with their quality, they are worth the extra you spend on them.
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 Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,435 Location: Switzerland
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Hello, Welcome to the world of HAG trains! If you need more information, I suggest that you visit one of the following websites: - www.hag.ch , the company's official site, in German language only, but translation is easy with an online machine translator and/or the help of someone here in the forum - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAG/ , the English speaking HAG Yahoo discussion group - http://www.forum.hag-info.ch/ , the German speaking HAG forum with lots of friendly people, most of whom also understand a bit of English - http://www.stefanunholz.ch/page1/english.html , my own HAG website
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Joined: 25/07/2002(UTC)
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Hag is great stuff, but pricey. I think most agree that the quality is worth the extra cost. This is such a quintessential Swiss consumer item that it make you see white crosses when you close you eyes in the presence of Hag equipment.--MM |
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
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 Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,226 Location: Montreal, QC
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by spillay
<br />Hi All,
I have 2 HAG trains on order.
One is the HAG 34001-32 SBB GTW 2/6 Stadler AC DIGI SOUND due for release in September and the other HAG 15004-31 SBB BDe 4/4 AC DIGI Railcar.
I own Roco,Fleischman and mainly Marklin Locomotives.
This will be my first HAG Locomotives and I have been reading on the net that they are the some of the best/finest loco's out there.
Can the owners of HAG,please share the thoughts on their products?
King Regards
Spillay, if you have ordered one of the BDe 4/4 railcars, you can use one of the following models for the corresponding pilot coach: 1) Maerklin 43410 Bt (rebuild from Lightsteel coach type B) 2) RailTop 21301 or 21303 (EW I ABt) (hard to find. Try Jocadis, Roundhouse other dealers or eBay). 3) The Swiss Hag Forum produced a Lightsteel ABt coach. There still may be one or two available. (See http://www.forum.hag-info.ch/vi...59b3ca236f9a73af60e4abbdI have two BDe 4/4s. One with Maerklin 43371 and 43410 and the other one with a Liliput 87750 and waiting for the Forum ABt to complete the consist. I love my Hag loks. They are in every aspect as good as any other company out there and better in many ways. Last acquisition: Re 4/4II TEE with sound. Regards Mike C
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Firstly thanks to everyone for the informative information,I dont think I have gone wrong by getting HAG Loco's.
@mikec,I viewed clip on youtube of the BDe and it interior lighting,is this factory fitted or does one have to install a lighting kit.
Which kit would one use?
Thanks
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Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,435 Location: Switzerland
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Spillay, the BDe 4/4 has factory installed interior lighting.
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You own't be dissapointed- the best models I own! |
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Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,226 Location: Montreal, QC
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by spillay
Can the owners of HAG,please share the thoughts on their products?
The GTW is a brand new construction and still due to be delivered, but impressions so far are quite ok (although even several HAG forum members complained about its price - just the "usual" story). Opposed to that the BDe4/4 is quite mature now; so you might for example find that the electronics and motor are visible through the windows. Nevertheless, also this one is a nice model - in particular together with an ABt steeting coach.  Like for any vendor and models, there are differences which may or may not be disturbing, like certain loco light limitations. We discussed already the wrong handrails of HAG models  ; another disturbance might be the incompatible buffer heights (which could prevent the usage of Märklin short couplings). Overall they are in the Märklin quality performance range of comparable Swiss models (but as stated before, more pricey). Nice photo of the BDe 4/4 (1:87) with the 1:110 ABt. How about trying it with a Maerklin 43410 or with one of the RailTop ABt models. Here is a photo of my BDe 4/4 with a Lightsteel ABt from Roxy (Metrop).  The only operational issue that I have ever encountered with Hag loks on Maerklin tracks is the occasional spark from the wheels on switch tracks. The reason for this is that Hag loks used the specifications for Fleischmann wheelsets, which were a little deeper than those of Maerklin, which resulted in frequent contact between the wheels and the center studs closest to the frog of the switch track. HAG's New Generation models (introduced in 1984) are as nice as any model put out by Maerklin today. Don't forget that it took Maerklin at least 7 years before they brought out the Ae 6/6 in 1991 and the Re 4/4II four years later in 1995. The Re 6/6 is only scheduled to come out next year. When you consider the comparable models that Maerklin was producing in 1984 (3323/3328) [B)] and compare them to HAG's 165/167, HAG wins hands down. Today, after 25 years, Maerklin has only caught up to those models. Some of the new features available in digital operation (cab lights, red LEDs, etc) may give Maerklin a little edge in that market, but if you look at recent HAG models like the Re 450 (also with red LEDs and illuminated destination signs), the lead seems very slim indeed. We will have to wait and see how the new HAG models compare to say, Maerklin's model of the LINT. Regards Mike C Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 19:09:19(UTC)
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by spillay
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@mikec , I have decided to order the Marklin 43361 and 43410 which will arrive with the loco.
@spillay, that's quite a good decision for a start!  I hope that you will be happy with your first HAG train. Just one suggestion: You have ordered a 1st class car (similar to the coach in the special excursion train which is visible in the picture in your link). In everyday use, such a consist would have been rather untypical, because mostly the trains have more 2nd than 1st class coaches. So if you would like to have a typical and standard SBB train, you might like to consider the Marklin model 43371 which would be a nice addition to your consist.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Unholz<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by spillay
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@mikec , I have decided to order the Marklin 43361 and 43410 which will arrive with the loco.
@spillay, that's quite a good decision for a start! I hope that you will be happy with your first HAG train. Just one suggestion: You have ordered a 1st class car (similar to the coach in the special excursion train which is visible in the picture in your link). In everyday use, such a consist would have been rather untypical, because mostly the trains have more 2nd than 1st class coaches. So if you would like to have a typical and standard SBB train, you might like to consider the Marklin model 43371 which would be a nice addition to your consist. Hi Unholz, Thanks for that,you learn more and more each day :)Will add 43371 for end August shipment. The need and want for the Swiss trains is that I got started in the model railroading with the Mega Gottardo Start Set with the Ae 6/6 and Ce 6/8 which are both very nice loco's.Now I am hooked.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by spillay
<br />Now I am hooked.
Hi spillay, that's great, because you certainly have a tremendous Swiss selection to chose from, and you can even combine stuff from many different manufacturers. Enjoy!
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 Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Mike,
nice Loco and pics.
the light steel carriage is slightly younger than your loco (swiss logo) |
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Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,226 Location: Montreal, QC
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />Mike,
nice Loco and pics.
the light steel carriage is slightly younger than your loco (swiss logo)
The photo would have been quite normal for the period around 1980. I have one of the Roxy pilot coaches with the older SBB + CFF markings but that unit was bought in pieces. I have to redo the electric part and repair/replace all the windows before it can be put into operation. This is one of the reasons why I fought so vociferously in the Swiss Hag forum for the right to have one of their special production ABt coaches in the 1970s livery instead of the historic "Wylaenderli" appearance. I also have the RailTop 21303 EWI ABt that I can use with this train when it is not in use with my green Re 4/4I (39420). I guess that I will probably get one of the Maerklin ABt (like 43410) when it comes out with the SBB + CFF markings as well. Speaking of which, did anybody else notice this model on ebay.com: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mark...3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50Looks like a good job of updating the look of this coach to it's last version. This would have been the livery as used with the red Re 4/4I during it's last days of operation. I would expect this variation to come from Maerklin at some point as well. FYI, the seller states he is from Warrenton, VA. Could this model be a production by Helmut's Hobbies? Regards Mike C
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Hi all: @spillay - I agree the Mega start set you have is a great way to get started! [:p] @Stefan - I like the changes at your homepage. @Mike and Lutz - Thanks for the pics!!
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