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Offline JohnMishler  
#1 Posted : 10 January 2026 01:40:43(UTC)
JohnMishler

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Location: Sabetha KS and Mount Airy NC
I recently expanded my digital (CS3+ and Rocrail) layout using M track. When first assembled, nothing ran well on the M track. I then cleaned each track piece and turnout with WD40 Specialist Contact Cleaner and a soft toothbrush. That solved nearly every problem, but I have two spots on my layout extension that all my lok’s consistently stop unplanned. One is on a 5104 Contact Track and the other is on a 5105 Contact Track. I tried re-cleaning those two track pieces, but my situation hasn’t improved. All my M contact tracks work correctly triggering my S88 – even these two problem tracks. For this track extension project, I don’t have any prior experience with these specific track pieces as I sourced the M contact tracks from eBay. Are there other suggestions that I should try?
John
Check out progress on my layout here.
Online JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 10 January 2026 10:06:41(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hello John
here a user of a CS3 and Rocrail and having used M track for decades.
M track is excellent but being made of iron ("soft steel") it is prone to corrosion.
While applying WD 40 is excellent for rust prevention, it may cause the dust to stick to rails and wheels
A contact liquid helps certainly BUT ALL must be cleaned: the track, the wheels, the wheel bearing, etc.
Never use an abrasive (sandpaper) except the "erasers" (Roco, or equivalant). I personally use grit range 5000 to finish painting on cars.
It leaves no grooves on the metal to later retain dust.

Contact tracks 510(, 5106. They were the first version on these contacts with the contact zone frequently being in slight recess compared with the normal track.

For Rocrail, the best is to have long contact stretches (occupation zones (1 to 3 m long which is impossible with M track unless serious changes on the track.

Some M track users detect trains using the current detection (M88 DC 60882). It works well but cannot detect a car / wagon without a slider and a lamp / resistor so they manage to add a lighted coach at the end of each consist or a lighted "Begleitungswagen" train conductor wagon) that way the safety is optimal.

Here is my present Rocrail layout using C Track
(sorry not M Track anymore)


The best way to avoid contact issues is to use the train regularly (once a week)

Cheers
Jean
Offline kiwiAlan  
#3 Posted : 10 January 2026 14:19:20(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: JohnMishler Go to Quoted Post
One is on a 5104 Contact Track and the other is on a 5105 Contact Track.


Are these the tracks with the little plastic lever operated by the pickup shoe? I've known the plastic lever to stick and lift the pickup shoe so it is no longer in contact with the studs.

Offline rhfil  
#4 Posted : 10 January 2026 15:58:59(UTC)
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For some reason there seems to be a requirement with contact tracks to have the same current flow so with the M tracks just try reversing the connections. I never understood why but I believe I had a similar issue with C-track.
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Online JohnjeanB  
#5 Posted : 10 January 2026 16:09:07(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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No,we are discussing these
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The ones you mention are the 5146, 5147 and the wide radius one 5213.
Those are working perfect PROVIDED noone tryed to "adjust" them without removing first the transparent lever.
Also key, when reassembling them to leave a little lateral play so that they NEVER touch the stud line (and thus get stuck)
Cheers
Jean
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 10 January 2026 16:14:05(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post

The ones you mention are the 5146, 5147 and the wide radius one 5213.
Those are working perfect PROVIDED noone tryed to "adjust" them without removing first the transparent lever.
Also key, when reassembling them to leave a little lateral play so that they NEVER touch the stud line (and thus get stuck)
Cheers
Jean


Ahh, thanks for the clarification Jean. It is so long since I have dealt with M track contact sections that I can't remember the catalogue numbers.

Offline rhfil  
#7 Posted : 10 January 2026 16:59:22(UTC)
rhfil

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Do those have built in insulators? Is there power to the track and current flow? Easy to check. While doing that check for continuity with a car on the track.
Offline Willem99  
#8 Posted : 10 January 2026 17:09:48(UTC)
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THe 5146 / 5147 / 5213 are very finicky and not very reliable after they have been installed and used for a while.
I replaced all of mine with the 5104 and 5105 contact rails.
They work like a charm, you just need lo leave enough space so that a train will not stop on them.
The 5146 only get activated by a slider, the 5104-5105 get a jolt every time that a set of wheels goes over it, so with a long train that gives you at least 25 attempts to get contact.
Just my dollar's worth (because inflation is playing havoc here over the last 5 years).
Tim
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Offline rhfil  
#9 Posted : 10 January 2026 17:44:00(UTC)
rhfil

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Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE,
Circuit tracks are nothing more complicated than toggle switches like the light switches you and I and pretty much everyone has in their homes. If they were not reliable we would not have them. And I challenge your claim that a contact track gets a "jolt" 25 times when a long consist travels over it. The flow across the rails is maintained as long as there are two wheels on the contact track area and unless the contact area is very short or the cars are very long that contact would be maintained until the entire consist was off the area. The problem with circuit tracks is that they are activated only by sliders so if they are being used for block detection they read the block as being clear as soon as the slider is off. And then there is also the problem that Marklin produces passenger cars with sliders and passenger consists with them usually under the last car. So the switch is activated each time. The main advantage of them is they can report the direction of the train since they are double pole switches.
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Offline JohnMishler  
#10 Posted : 10 January 2026 20:40:26(UTC)
JohnMishler

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Location: Sabetha KS and Mount Airy NC
Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hello John
here a user of a CS3 and Rocrail and having used M track for decades.
M track is excellent but being made of iron ("soft steel") it is prone to corrosion.
While applying WD 40 is excellent for rust prevention, it may cause the dust to stick to rails and wheels
A contact liquid helps certainly BUT ALL must be cleaned: the track, the wheels, the wheel bearing, etc.
Never use an abrasive (sandpaper) except the "erasers" (Roco, or equivalant). I personally use grit range 5000 to finish painting on cars.
It leaves no grooves on the metal to later retain dust.

Contact tracks 510(, 5106. They were the first version on these contacts with the contact zone frequently being in slight recess compared with the normal track.

For Rocrail, the best is to have long contact stretches (occupation zones (1 to 3 m long which is impossible with M track unless serious changes on the track.

Some M track users detect trains using the current detection (M88 DC 60882). It works well but cannot detect a car / wagon without a slider and a lamp / resistor so they manage to add a lighted coach at the end of each consist or a lighted "Begleitungswagen" train conductor wagon) that way the safety is optimal.

Here is my present Rocrail layout using C Track
(sorry not M Track anymore)


The best way to avoid contact issues is to use the train regularly (once a week)

Cheers
Jean


Thanks Jean. Just to be clear, I'm not cleaning with standard WD40 but rather a different WD40 product (WD-40 Specialist® Contact Cleaner) specifically designed for cleaning electrical components, and it seems to work very well. After working with my two trouble areas a bit more this morning, I finally switched the two contact track pieces with others on my layout that I believe were "new old stock" from my eBay purchase and this seemed to solve my issues completely. Thus, I can only conclude that the two contact tracks in question must have some other issue. I'll be doing a bit more design work on my expansion and perhaps I'll incorporate a couple of "enter2in" sensors to eliminate the need for a 2nd physical sensor for a couple of blocks. If that doesn't work I might investigate using some Azatrax infrared sensors as I've been curious about trying those as well. I appreciate all your help!

John

John
Check out progress on my layout here.
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