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Offline Alex H  
#1 Posted : 02 September 2025 09:19:31(UTC)
Alex H

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Hi.

I am looking to create a new layout as per the attached image; the red dots indicate proposed power connection points. The longest length is 4m x 1.1m. I am using Marklin C track, with a Z21 controller and iTrain, with occupancy detection.

I know that usually it is suggested that a track power bus is installed around the layout and then drop wires are used from the track to this bus.

However, I was wondering if there were any operational reasons why the wires from the track connections cannot be run back to the front of the layout and then connected using a strip connector? I appreciate that I will use more wire and I will probably need to increase the gauge of the wire itself.

Very many thanks

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Offline osoraku  
#2 Posted : 02 September 2025 12:13:01(UTC)
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Dear Alex - parasitic capacitance can be aproblem, depending on how you do occupancy detection. See, e.g. this discussion for current detection.

Osoraku
Offline analogmike  
#3 Posted : 02 September 2025 13:23:30(UTC)
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Power bus is the way to go. Trust me. ThumpUp
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Offline Alex H  
#4 Posted : 02 September 2025 15:34:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: osoraku Go to Quoted Post
Dear Alex - parasitic capacitance can be aproblem, depending on how you do occupancy detection. See, e.g. this discussion for current detection.

Osoraku


Hi thanks for those post. I will be using the YaMoRC YD6016LN -CS current sensing for occupancy detection
Offline PeFu  
#5 Posted : 02 September 2025 17:59:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alex H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: osoraku Go to Quoted Post
Dear Alex - parasitic capacitance can be aproblem, depending on how you do occupancy detection. See, e.g. this discussion for current detection.

Osoraku


Hi thanks for those post. I will be using the YaMoRC YD6016LN -CS current sensing for occupancy detection


Do you have a specific reason for using current sensing instead of ground sensing, which probably >99 % of all C track users, are using?

Smile
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Offline Alex H  
#6 Posted : 02 September 2025 18:57:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Alex H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: osoraku Go to Quoted Post
Dear Alex - parasitic capacitance can be aproblem, depending on how you do occupancy detection. See, e.g. this discussion for current detection.

Osoraku


Hi thanks for those post. I will be using the YaMoRC YD6016LN -CS current sensing for occupancy detection


Do you have a specific reason for using current sensing instead of ground sensing, which probably >99 % of all C track users, are using?

Smile


Yep - I find them easier to set up, and they suit my needs. BigGrin BigGrin
Offline BenP  
#7 Posted : 03 September 2025 00:59:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alex H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: osoraku Go to Quoted Post
Dear Alex - parasitic capacitance can be aproblem, depending on how you do occupancy detection. See, e.g. this discussion for current detection.

Osoraku


Hi thanks for those post. I will be using the YaMoRC YD6016LN -CS current sensing for occupancy detection



Why not ground sensing? Easy and fail proof with Marklin 3-rail design.
Ben
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Offline Alex H  
#8 Posted : 03 September 2025 08:59:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Alex H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: osoraku Go to Quoted Post
Dear Alex - parasitic capacitance can be aproblem, depending on how you do occupancy detection. See, e.g. this discussion for current detection.

Osoraku


Hi thanks for those post. I will be using the YaMoRC YD6016LN -CS current sensing for occupancy detection



Why not ground sensing? Easy and fail proof with Marklin 3-rail design.
Ben


So how do you set up your ground sensing then Ben?
Offline BenP  
#9 Posted : 04 September 2025 05:06:44(UTC)
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Ground sensing uses track with one outer rail isolated. When metal wheels pass over that track they create a ground connection, sensed by a sensor box. Power to sensor track is uninterrupted and continuous with rest of layout. Works on m, c and k rails.
Digital M track layout with vintage rolling stock and accessories controlled by CS3+Rocrail; small Z scale layout.
https://youtube.com/play...0kgVYbh0CeDTF-bYXoD_2-V9
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Offline Alex H  
#10 Posted : 04 September 2025 16:17:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
Ground sensing uses track with one outer rail isolated. When metal wheels pass over that track they create a ground connection, sensed by a sensor box. Power to sensor track is uninterrupted and continuous with rest of layout. Works on m, c and k rails.


Thanks for that, so ground sensing works by a physical change, and current sensing works by an electrical change. I imaging they both work as well as each other dont they?
Offline BenP  
#11 Posted : 04 September 2025 17:07:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alex H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
Ground sensing uses track with one outer rail isolated. When metal wheels pass over that track they create a ground connection, sensed by a sensor box. Power to sensor track is uninterrupted and continuous with rest of layout. Works on m, c and k rails.


Thanks for that, so ground sensing works by a physical change, and current sensing works by an electrical change. I imaging they both work as well as each other dont they?


I believe that current sensing requires power isolation segments (extra wiring), whereas ground sensing can be installed anywhere without power supply breaks. Both require a sensor hub to communicate with central station.
Digital M track layout with vintage rolling stock and accessories controlled by CS3+Rocrail; small Z scale layout.
https://youtube.com/play...0kgVYbh0CeDTF-bYXoD_2-V9
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Offline Alex H  
#12 Posted : 04 September 2025 17:12:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Alex H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
Ground sensing uses track with one outer rail isolated. When metal wheels pass over that track they create a ground connection, sensed by a sensor box. Power to sensor track is uninterrupted and continuous with rest of layout. Works on m, c and k rails.


Thanks for that, so ground sensing works by a physical change, and current sensing works by an electrical change. I imaging they both work as well as each other dont they?


I believe that current sensing requires power isolation segments (extra wiring), whereas ground sensing can be installed anywhere without power supply breaks. Both require a sensor hub to communicate with central station.


Ah Ok. yes for current sensing you isolate the track at both ends and then have a cable from the track back to the sensor hub. I can see now that Ground sensing would require a lot less wiring, which is always good. Thanks for your help - learning all the time :). I assume that you can use the red Marklin isolators on the rail
Offline blid  
#13 Posted : 04 September 2025 17:37:30(UTC)
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I think it is worth pointing out that current sensing will only report vehicles currently drawing power. Ground sensing will report all vehicles with non isolated wheel sets – all Marklin and others for 3-rail. Wiring and isolation is about the same. The Marklin C-track isolators can be used to isolate rails as well. However, you have to cut the two connections of the rails on the underside of the C-track pieces involved. I had all my C-track cut except for turnouts.
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Offline osoraku  
#14 Posted : 04 September 2025 23:53:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
… I assume that you can use the red Marklin isolators on the rail



2 mm OD heat shrink tubing is much cheaper and works a treat.

Osoraku

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