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jonas_sthlm		#1 Posted : 28 July 2025 08:50:53(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#2 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:05:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Sad to read that a well-established company with 65 years of history has decided to shut down. How many hours hasn't it brightened for the hobbyist seuthe-dampf.de Read again! They closed down for two weeks holiday. They are back at 25/8. It is not verified yet permanently close down.
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jonas_sthlm		#3 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:06:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Views messages in topic : 998 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		did you try it, to read? Business Closure Dear customers, we are closing our doors. For health reasons and due to his age, Mr. Zießler, our Managing Partner, has decided to close the business during the course of the year, no later than December 31, 2025. Do you still have any needs? Please send us your orders as soon as possible so that we can still schedule and deliver your shipments. We look forward to hearing from you. Thank you. Your SEUTHE Team
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jonas_sthlm		#4 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:12:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Views messages in topic : 998 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best.
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:22:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best. They writed "managing partner" so it does not said the company close down permanently. It is possible somebody else are interested to take over Seuthe to keep on produce smoke generators. Both Märklin and ESU produce own special smoke generator for the steam locomotives or diesel. Let´s see if somebody wanted Seuthe company.
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JohnjeanB		#6 Posted : 28 July 2025 11:01:06(UTC) Retweet
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jonas_sthlm		#7 Posted : 28 July 2025 12:29:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Views messages in topic : 998 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		It might not be such a big business anymore, now that Märklin and Roco are making their own smoke units.
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 28 July 2025 14:00:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,523 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It might not be such a big business anymore, now that Märklin and Roco are making their own smoke units. While there are still a large number of locos out there that will use the Seuthe smoke units I guess the newer units with synchronised smoke will make a big hole in their market. I could see Marklin taking on the business as they still produce locos that use these smoke units.
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bygger01		#9 Posted : 28 July 2025 20:12:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 227 Location: Herning in Denmark		We have about 8-10 of these chimneys on the plant. Some are real chimneys, another is a bonfire, and the last ones are on locomotives and a crane. When they are to be shown - because my wife tells about them - they are always out of order, as the smoke distillate has evaporated, and then it is up with a syringe and adds small amounts ! When they then make a few small clouds of smoke, my spectators are already downstairs from the track, so actually I don't think I will miss that opportunity ..... And I am actually afraid that the smoke is harmful for the dirtiness of the rails ....
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Copenhagen		#10 Posted : 28 July 2025 22:44:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best. They writed "managing partner" so it does not said the company close down permanently. It is possible somebody else are interested to take over Seuthe to keep on produce smoke generators. Both Märklin and ESU produce own special smoke generator for the steam locomotives or diesel. Let´s see if somebody wanted Seuthe company. Goofy again... This is the German text translated via google to Swedish: Nedläggning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar och kommer att upphöra med verksamheten i slutet av 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar till oss så snart som möjligt så att vi kan schemalägga och skicka era leveranser (i mån av tillgänglighet). And this is the English version, which is more detailed about the reason for closure, translated to Swedish: Stängning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar. Av hälsoskäl och på grund av sin ålder har herr Zießler, vår Managing Partner, beslutat att stänga verksamheten under årets lopp, senast den 31 december 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar så snart som möjligt så att vi fortfarande kan schemalägga och leverera era leveranser. Vi ser fram emot att höra från er.
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Goofy		#11 Posted : 30 July 2025 09:18:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best. They writed "managing partner" so it does not said the company close down permanently. It is possible somebody else are interested to take over Seuthe to keep on produce smoke generators. Both Märklin and ESU produce own special smoke generator for the steam locomotives or diesel. Let´s see if somebody wanted Seuthe company. Goofy again... This is the German text translated via google to Swedish: Nedläggning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar och kommer att upphöra med verksamheten i slutet av 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar till oss så snart som möjligt så att vi kan schemalägga och skicka era leveranser (i mån av tillgänglighet). And this is the English version, which is more detailed about the reason for closure, translated to Swedish: Stängning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar. Av hälsoskäl och på grund av sin ålder har herr Zießler, vår Managing Partner, beslutat att stänga verksamheten under årets lopp, senast den 31 december 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar så snart som möjligt så att vi fortfarande kan schemalägga och leverera era leveranser. Vi ser fram emot att höra från er. In fact does Märklin are depends of the Seuthe smoke generator to fit Märklins steam locomotives. Without Seuthe smoke generator Märklin are force to change on theirs steam locomotives to end install smoke generator or buy the factory if customer wants keep on same smoke fluids. If none of Seuthe it will be hugh expensive for Märklin to change and start draw new work toy for the new steam locomotive to add smoke generator. I don´t belive Seuthe will close down permanently.
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Copenhagen		#12 Posted : 30 July 2025 10:43:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		I only posted the translations to point out that the Seuthe messages in German and English indeed do say that the company will close down... What will happen in the end or in the meantime is another thing. (I usually don't use silly emojis but Goofy seems to fancy them a lot).
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David Dewar		#13 Posted : 30 July 2025 11:14:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,474 Location: Scotland		I am sure Marklin will be able to provide a smoke unit. These are toy trains and as long as we have Marklin.we dont really need others although I don’t like to see small firms closing. Times are changing for model rail with few new people coming to the hobby and I expect many manufacturers will close in the future.
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marklinist5999		#14 Posted : 30 July 2025 14:16:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,989 Location: Michigan, Troy		Does ESU make their own? Perhaps if it is a viable business decision, Marklin can purchase smoke units from them. I know the two parted ways after the CS-1, but that's in the past. Unless one or the other holds a grudge.
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Goofy		#15 Posted : 31 July 2025 14:45:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Here is the company that use Seuthe smoke generator...what I know. Märklin Trix Roco Brawa
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David Dewar		#16 Posted : 31 July 2025 14:51:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,474 Location: Scotland		I would not worry about supplies. I expect China will be able to produce these for very little money. I presume there is not some type of copyright on this type of item.
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jonas_sthlm		#17 Posted : 01 August 2025 08:24:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Views messages in topic : 998 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Do Märklin and Roco still use their products because they already manufacture them own? I can imagine that even Sommerfeldt (Worst competitor: 3D printer) hardly gets any major orders these days for pantographs from Märklin, who are shifting more of their production far away.
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Goofy		#18 Posted : 01 August 2025 10:57:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		If Brawa buys the company Seuthe there are no chance for Märklin to get same smoke generator to offer customer with smoke fluids. Brawa install digital steam locomotives with the smoke generator Seuthe and this has been done for years now.
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jonas_sthlm		#19 Posted : 01 August 2025 11:20:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Views messages in topic : 998 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		There are probably no patents, and the liquid has likely been changed to be more health-friendly. So it's probably not something Märklin needs to take into account for its own production.
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Goofy		#20 Posted : 02 August 2025 22:09:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm There are probably no patents, and the liquid has likely been changed to be more health-friendly. So it's probably not something Märklin needs to take into account for its own production. Seuthe own smoke generator are market protected. Sure there are patent I believe. I am sure Märklin like other company do hoard Seuthe smoke generator. If nothing else happens be sure that Märklins new steam locomotives year 2026 will not have smoke generator as digital function.
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marklinist5999		#21 Posted : 03 August 2025 15:08:45(UTC) Retweet
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David Dewar		#22 Posted : 03 August 2025 16:34:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,474 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm There are probably no patents, and the liquid has likely been changed to be more health-friendly. So it's probably not something Märklin needs to take into account for its own production. Seuthe own smoke generator are market protected. Sure there are patent I believe. I am sure Märklin like other company do hoard Seuthe smoke generator. If nothing else happens be sure that Märklins new steam locomotives year 2026 will not have smoke generator as digital function. Goofy can you tell me where you are getting this information.
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Purellum		#23 Posted : 03 August 2025 20:21:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,530 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Seuthe own smoke generator are market protected. Sure there are patent I believe. A patent usually only last for 20 years. In the 1960s you could see smoke units marked with "Seuthe Pat"; you don't find that any more... Per.
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hxmiesa		#24 Posted : 04 August 2025 12:56:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,607 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Goofy can you tell me where you are getting this information. His source is "Trust me, bro."...
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H0		#25 Posted : 04 August 2025 18:54:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,480 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Originally Posted by: David Dewar Goofy can you tell me where you are getting this information. His source is "Trust me, bro."... Some folks read between the lines and come up with information that is not in the text.
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bygger01		#26 Posted : 04 August 2025 19:44:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 227 Location: Herning in Denmark		In Danish we have the following proverb: "Enhver er salig i sin tro". Which is a proverb, that means, that each person has the right to their own faith and beliefs, and that one should not judge or criticize the religious or philosophical positions of others. But ...............
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Copenhagen		#27 Posted : 04 August 2025 22:54:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		A direct translation is like "everyone is blessed in their own faith". The Danish version is said to originate from a saying of Friedrich the Great of Preussia, meaning that one religion is just a good as the other. In Danish the meaning is more mundane and is used when different views and opinions may collide and you don't want to start a fight over it even though you think that the other person is way off.
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marklinist5999		#28 Posted : 05 August 2025 13:16:27(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#29 Posted : 05 August 2025 17:41:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm There are probably no patents, and the liquid has likely been changed to be more health-friendly. So it's probably not something Märklin needs to take into account for its own production. Seuthe own smoke generator are market protected. Sure there are patent I believe. I am sure Märklin like other company do hoard Seuthe smoke generator. If nothing else happens be sure that Märklins new steam locomotives year 2026 will not have smoke generator as digital function. Goofy can you tell me where you are getting this information. Seuthe did send information to manufacture who support and sell smoke generator, so information are verified. Not sure if somebody are interested to buy Seuthe factory. If Märklin will continue use Seuthes smoke generator I believe they will process. Time will tell.
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Goofy		#30 Posted : 05 August 2025 17:45:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Seuthe own smoke generator are market protected. Sure there are patent I believe. A patent usually only last for 20 years. In the 1960s you could see smoke units marked with "Seuthe Pat"; you don't find that any more... Per. It´s not legally to copy Seuthe smoke generator since the product are copyright protect. That´s way we don't see other manufacture smoke generator look same way like Seuthe.
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Copenhagen		#31 Posted : 06 August 2025 00:25:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		If my memory doesn't deceive me this isn't the first time Goofy has predicted the downfall of Marklin... or the whole model train business..?
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H0		#32 Posted : 06 August 2025 08:51:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,480 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Copenhagen If my memory doesn't deceive me this isn't the first time Goofy has predicted the downfall of Marklin... or the whole model train business..? Or new controllers... But we're getting off-topic.
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H0		#33 Posted : 06 August 2025 08:52:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,480 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Seuthe did send information to manufacture who support and sell smoke generator, so information are verified. Where can I verify that information?
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Goofy		#34 Posted : 06 August 2025 12:32:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy Seuthe did send information to manufacture who support and sell smoke generator, so information are verified. Where can I verify that information? How many do you think has got information by Seuthe? Did Seuthe present if other are interested to buy company? Come on...don´t you even think Märklin did also get information like other did?
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Goofy		#35 Posted : 06 August 2025 12:34:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,305		Originally Posted by: Copenhagen If my memory doesn't deceive me this isn't the first time Goofy has predicted the downfall of Marklin... or the whole model train business..? What? Why are you leaving topic about Seuthe and smoke generator?
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H0		#36 Posted : 06 August 2025 14:44:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,480 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy How many do you think has got information by Seuthe? It does not matter what I think or what you think. I asked for verified or confirmed information. If it sounds like insider information, then it still could just be wild guessing. I take your answer to mean that no confirmed information is available beyond what's written on the Seuthe website and that anything else is just wild guessing into the blue.
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Copenhagen		#37 Posted : 06 August 2025 17:29:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Copenhagen If my memory doesn't deceive me this isn't the first time Goofy has predicted the downfall of Marklin... or the whole model train business..? What? Why are you leaving topic about Seuthe and smoke generator? Well it was you throwing out (or up?) all sorts of speculations of what will happen with the closing of Seuthe. Like if Brawa aquired the company then Marklin wouldn't have access to smoke units anymore. It even started with you not understanding what the message on the Seuthe website really meant. It's not that I take pleasure in arguing with you or criticising you.
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jonas_sthlm		#38 Posted : 06 August 2025 20:27:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Views messages in topic : 998 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Märklin has already had the information for a while, as they have created their own product and SDS sheet. 02422 Smoke Fluid and Cleaning Fluid 50 ml / 1.69 oz. - PDF Can it now also clean ...compared to the previous Seuthe. 02420 Smoke Fluid 50 ml / 1.67 oz. - PDF It may be appropriate to investigate why the packaging is not sufficiently resistant to the chemicals it is intended to contain
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bph		#39 Posted : 06 August 2025 23:31:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,180		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Märklin has already had the information for a while, as they have created their own product and SDS sheet. 02422 Smoke Fluid and Cleaning Fluid 50 ml / 1.69 oz. - PDF Can it now also clean ...compared to the previous Seuthe. I suspect that the new Märklin smoke fluid is made by exxonmobil, as the technical data in the datasheet is basically identical to the data in the datasheet from the oil company. The new Märklin 02422/02423 is also the same type of product as the Novadur Steam & Clean Reinigungsdestillat https://www.modellbahnprofi.com/, but the technical data varies slightly here, so it's likely a different manufacturer. Note that the Novadur Steam fluid is just the same as the cleaning fluid, but with some slight perfume added, nothing else. Regarding smoke generators, one possibility is that Marklin will just have e.g. their supplier of dynamic smoke generators start making 7226 and 72270 smoke generators also. They might also have started already....... Anyone can legally copy Seuthes' smoke generators and sell them under their own brand name. As long as the patents on that specific model are older than 20 years, their first patent probably expired around 1980. But it's illegal to make smoke generator copies and sell them under the Seuthe brand name.
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Jimmy Thompson		#40 Posted : 07 August 2025 00:57:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 780 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Puzzled I am... In the Märklin data sheet (and the Suethe as well ) as linked above, the following statement is present: "Do not breathe dust/fume/gas/mist/vapours/spray" - "Gas/Rauch/Dampf/Aerosol nicht einatmen." In a closed layout room, at what point is the concentration of "smoke" from my dampfloks ("fume", "gas", "vapours", possibly "mist") going to become toxic? - or is it the "purposely concentrating or inhaling the smoke from the source" the key to: Don't do that?? Is not the whole idea of "smoke fluid" to create smoke/vapours/fume? Just asking, Thanks! Clouds of steam when working the Bw...
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