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jonas_sthlm		#1 Posted : 28 July 2025 08:50:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Sad to read that a well-established company with 65 years of history has decided to shut down. How many hours hasn't it brightened for the hobbyist seuthe-dampf.de
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Goofy		#2 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:05:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,300		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Sad to read that a well-established company with 65 years of history has decided to shut down. How many hours hasn't it brightened for the hobbyist seuthe-dampf.de Read again! They closed down for two weeks holiday. They are back at 25/8. It is not verified yet permanently close down.
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jonas_sthlm		#3 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:06:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		did you try it, to read? Business Closure Dear customers, we are closing our doors. For health reasons and due to his age, Mr. Zießler, our Managing Partner, has decided to close the business during the course of the year, no later than December 31, 2025. Do you still have any needs? Please send us your orders as soon as possible so that we can still schedule and deliver your shipments. We look forward to hearing from you. Thank you. Your SEUTHE Team
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jonas_sthlm		#4 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:12:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best.
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 28 July 2025 09:22:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,300		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best. They writed "managing partner" so it does not said the company close down permanently. It is possible somebody else are interested to take over Seuthe to keep on produce smoke generators. Both Märklin and ESU produce own special smoke generator for the steam locomotives or diesel. Let´s see if somebody wanted Seuthe company.
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JohnjeanB		#6 Posted : 28 July 2025 11:01:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,598 Location: Paris, France		Hi It looks like they do what Kibri owner (a lady) did in 2010, to find a new owner (Wieland Vollmer). Chances are it will be the same. Cheers Jean
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jonas_sthlm		#7 Posted : 28 July 2025 12:29:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		It might not be such a big business anymore, now that Märklin and Roco are making their own smoke units.
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 28 July 2025 14:00:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,520 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It might not be such a big business anymore, now that Märklin and Roco are making their own smoke units. While there are still a large number of locos out there that will use the Seuthe smoke units I guess the newer units with synchronised smoke will make a big hole in their market. I could see Marklin taking on the business as they still produce locos that use these smoke units.

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bygger01		#9 Posted : 28 July 2025 20:12:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 226 Location: Herning in Denmark		We have about 8-10 of these chimneys on the plant. Some are real chimneys, another is a bonfire, and the last ones are on locomotives and a crane. When they are to be shown - because my wife tells about them - they are always out of order, as the smoke distillate has evaporated, and then it is up with a syringe and adds small amounts ! When they then make a few small clouds of smoke, my spectators are already downstairs from the track, so actually I don't think I will miss that opportunity ..... And I am actually afraid that the smoke is harmful for the dirtiness of the rails ....
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Copenhagen		#10 Posted : 28 July 2025 22:44:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best. They writed "managing partner" so it does not said the company close down permanently. It is possible somebody else are interested to take over Seuthe to keep on produce smoke generators. Both Märklin and ESU produce own special smoke generator for the steam locomotives or diesel. Let´s see if somebody wanted Seuthe company. Goofy again... This is the German text translated via google to Swedish: Nedläggning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar och kommer att upphöra med verksamheten i slutet av 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar till oss så snart som möjligt så att vi kan schemalägga och skicka era leveranser (i mån av tillgänglighet). And this is the English version, which is more detailed about the reason for closure, translated to Swedish: Stängning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar. Av hälsoskäl och på grund av sin ålder har herr Zießler, vår Managing Partner, beslutat att stänga verksamheten under årets lopp, senast den 31 december 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar så snart som möjligt så att vi fortfarande kan schemalägga och leverera era leveranser. Vi ser fram emot att höra från er.

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Goofy		#11 Posted : 30 July 2025 09:18:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,300		Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It is not verified yet permanently close down. Did you correct after reading properly? They publish their own news so we'll have to take it for what it is for now and hope for the best. They writed "managing partner" so it does not said the company close down permanently. It is possible somebody else are interested to take over Seuthe to keep on produce smoke generators. Both Märklin and ESU produce own special smoke generator for the steam locomotives or diesel. Let´s see if somebody wanted Seuthe company. Goofy again... This is the German text translated via google to Swedish: Nedläggning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar och kommer att upphöra med verksamheten i slutet av 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar till oss så snart som möjligt så att vi kan schemalägga och skicka era leveranser (i mån av tillgänglighet). And this is the English version, which is more detailed about the reason for closure, translated to Swedish: Stängning av verksamheten Kära kunder, Vi stänger våra dörrar. Av hälsoskäl och på grund av sin ålder har herr Zießler, vår Managing Partner, beslutat att stänga verksamheten under årets lopp, senast den 31 december 2025. Har ni fortfarande några behov? Vänligen skicka era beställningar så snart som möjligt så att vi fortfarande kan schemalägga och leverera era leveranser. Vi ser fram emot att höra från er. In fact does Märklin are depends of the Seuthe smoke generator to fit Märklins steam locomotives. Without Seuthe smoke generator Märklin are force to change on theirs steam locomotives to end install smoke generator or buy the factory if customer wants keep on same smoke fluids. If none of Seuthe it will be hugh expensive for Märklin to change and start draw new work toy for the new steam locomotive to add smoke generator. I don´t belive Seuthe will close down permanently.
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Copenhagen		#12 Posted : 30 July 2025 10:43:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 499 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		I only posted the translations to point out that the Seuthe messages in German and English indeed do say that the company will close down... What will happen in the end or in the meantime is another thing. (I usually don't use silly emojis but Goofy seems to fancy them a lot).

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David Dewar		#13 Posted : 30 July 2025 11:14:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,472 Location: Scotland		I am sure Marklin will be able to provide a smoke unit. These are toy trains and as long as we have Marklin.we dont really need others although I don’t like to see small firms closing. Times are changing for model rail with few new people coming to the hobby and I expect many manufacturers will close in the future.
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marklinist5999		#14 Posted : 30 July 2025 14:16:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,981 Location: Michigan, Troy		Does ESU make their own? Perhaps if it is a viable business decision, Marklin can purchase smoke units from them. I know the two parted ways after the CS-1, but that's in the past. Unless one or the other holds a grudge.

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Goofy		#15 Posted : 31 July 2025 14:45:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,300		Here is the company that use Seuthe smoke generator...what I know. Märklin Trix Roco Brawa
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David Dewar		#16 Posted : 31 July 2025 14:51:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,472 Location: Scotland		I would not worry about supplies. I expect China will be able to produce these for very little money. I presume there is not some type of copyright on this type of item.
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jonas_sthlm		#17 Posted : 01 August 2025 08:24:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Do Märklin and Roco still use their products because they already manufacture them own? I can imagine that even Sommerfeldt (Worst competitor: 3D printer) hardly gets any major orders these days for pantographs from Märklin, who are shifting more of their production far away.
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Goofy		#18 Posted : 01 August 2025 10:57:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,300		If Brawa buys the company Seuthe there are no chance for Märklin to get same smoke generator to offer customer with smoke fluids. Brawa install digital steam locomotives with the smoke generator Seuthe and this has been done for years now.
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jonas_sthlm		#19 Posted : 01 August 2025 11:20:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		There are probably no patents, and the liquid has likely been changed to be more health-friendly. So it's probably not something Märklin needs to take into account for its own production.
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