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Offline DV  
#1 Posted : 25 November 2021 04:07:24(UTC)
DV

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I have looked at all the Märklin publications and leaflets on how to connect boosters to layouts and am still somewhat confused.

All the explanations are basically connect booster to track, then CS2/3 but isolate boosted areas. Sounds simple, yes?

Well, no actually.

The diagrams that are provided really do not answer all my concerns.

OK, a simple explanation of the layout.

It is our club layout (see photo 1) that has 63 points that are all lit and get power from the track, and of course they take a huge chunk of power leaving us to run a maximum of three locos without any sound functions, or two locos with sound functions (yes, we know where on the CS2 it shows how much power is being used). We are having our Christmas breakup on 12/12 and would like to solve this problem so that all members can run as many trains as we can.

So we have decide to split the layout into three circuits.

Green circuit is one main line, yellow circuit is the second main line (includes the off shoot to a turn around), and grey is the huge yard (have not included all the track work in the yard).

maina

Am I correct that we isolate the three circuits on the tracks shown in the next four photos with the short red lines?

a and b

c

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e

I know that each circuit requires the CS2 and a booster each, with each item having their own dedicated power unit.

We have the (CS2) model booster, 60174, with the corresponding power unit, 60052, and we the (CS3) model booster, 60175, with the corresponding booster, 60041.

I know they are cross compatible, that is, you can use either one on both CS models.

Now the big question (and I have looked at the drawings and explanations of what each connection is at the back of a CS2) where do you connect the boosters to the CS2 please.

I know one booster (60174) goes to the booster connection.

Where can we connect the second booster?

Any help and guidance will be greatly appreciated.

For those that have SCARM, I have also included the file for our club layout. Don't worry about the the missed connections, with the size of the layout, we have a lot of give and take as far as the tracks are connected. And between what's on the designed layout and actually put on the table can have a bit of a variance.

reworkslim06fixup.scarm (269kb) downloaded 36 time(s).

Thank you.

Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 25 November 2021 13:06:50(UTC)
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First booster connects to controller, second booster connects to first booster. They are daisy chained.
Dale
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#3 Posted : 25 November 2021 13:14:48(UTC)
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yes you isolation points look correct.

With your proposed scheme, you have each booster being available at almost all points around the layout. Assuming you use multiple feeder wires, this means you need to have separate feeder wires present almost everywhere. You may save wiring if you used separate boosters for different 'regions' of the layout instead of specific tracks. i.e. you could have the three districts for the top middle and lower parts of your track diagram. the manner in which you operate trains will need to be considered. Generally a storage yard just has only a few locos on at any given time.
It may also reduce the number of isolation points needed.
Dale
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 25 November 2021 13:38:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DV Go to Quoted Post
I know one booster (60174) goes to the booster connection.
Where can we connect the second booster?
Boosters are not daisy-chained. Boosters can be connected to terminals. You do not have to use the booster port of the CS2. If you need boosters at remote places, you can connect all boosters to terminals.

Regards
Tom
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 25 November 2021 14:04:26(UTC)
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ah yes missed that it is the newer type, you connect them to terminal modules, sorry.
Older ones were daisy chained.
Dale
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My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
Offline DV  
#6 Posted : 26 November 2021 07:28:38(UTC)
DV

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Boosters are not daisy-chained. Boosters can be connected to terminals. You do not have to use the booster port of the CS2. If you need boosters at remote places, you can connect all boosters to terminals.



Sorry for being thick, but what do you describe as a terminal?

Is the CS2 a terminal?

Or is there another item that Märklin produce that can be described as a terminal?

And if there is, what is its catalogue number please?

The CS2 at the back has these connections:-



cs2


Circled in red is where you can connect one booster (explanation squared in red, disregard the booster number as it is incorrect)

Now where do I connect the second booster please?

Am I missing something?

If anyone can provide a sketch of how they connect, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your advice.

Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 26 November 2021 07:51:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DV Go to Quoted Post
Is the CS2 a terminal?
Yes.

Originally Posted by: DV Go to Quoted Post
Or is there another item that Märklin produce that can be described as a terminal?
And if there is, what is its catalogue number please?
The old terminal is 60125. The new funeral-coloured terminal is 60145, technically they should be the same. 60126 is an extension cord for terminals.
See description in the 60174 manual.
Terminals are daisy-chained and the first terminal connects to the "output" port.
Regards
Tom
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Offline GlennM  
#8 Posted : 22 June 2025 17:15:40(UTC)
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I must be honest I am also struggling with the the whole Booster and Terminal connections thing, and so I was wondering if I could just check if my understanding is correct as follows;

So if I have a CS2 (which has its own power supply) and I am looking to add one booster 60175 I will also need a switched power supply for the booster and a Terminal 60145. Then I divide the layout into two isolated circuits of equal power consumption, the CS2 supplies one circuit and Booster the second circuit.

If I want to deploy two boosters 60175 each with their own switched power supply do I also need two terminals or just one? In this scenario, I should divide the layout into three isolated circuits and then the CS2 powers 1 circuit, one booster the second circuit and the second booster the third circuit. If I need two terminals how to they connect when there is only one port on the CS2 for the terminal?

Is the above the correct basic system logic?

How do I determine how many boosters I need?

Am I also right in assuming the boosters should be powered on first before powering the CS2?

I am also interested to understand if I should consider powering lighting to building, street lights and other misc. lighting through the boosters (and CS) or if I should have a separate circuit for the lighting so as to reduce the power draw trough the CS and boosters? If so what would people recommend as a power source for such lighting?

Any thoughts/comments greatly received.
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 22 June 2025 18:04:10(UTC)
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The Can bus is a bus: there are two ends that must be terminated.

One booster can be connected directly to the CS2/3.
One terminal allows connecting four boosters. Another terminal can be plugged in at the end of the terminal.
The terminal terminates the bus unless another terminal is plugged into it.
Regards
Tom
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#10 Posted : 22 June 2025 19:41:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

So if I have a CS2 (which has its own power supply) and I am looking to add one booster 60175 I will also need a switched power supply for the booster

Yes
Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

and a Terminal 60145.

Not for the first booster. You can plug one booster directly into the cs2, as Tom noted.

Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

Then I divide the layout into two isolated circuits of equal power consumption, the CS2 supplies one circuit and Booster the second circuit.

correct. you need to isolate only the centre stud connection, this is different to the cs1 where you had to isolate the rails as well.

Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

If I want to deploy two boosters 60175 each with their own switched power supply do I also need two terminals or just one?


One terminal will connect more than one booster. AIUI you can connect 4 boosters to one terminal - and there is another connector to which you can connect another terminal to extend the CAN bus further. As an alternative you can connect an ms2 to a booster port on the 60145 using an adapter cable (see the product page).

Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

In this scenario, I should divide the layout into three isolated circuits and then the CS2 powers 1 circuit, one booster the second circuit and the second booster the third circuit. If I need two terminals how to they connect when there is only one port on the CS2 for the terminal?

See above, you can daisy chain it from another terminal. This may require some thinking about how you are going to situate items around the layout as you cannot do a Y connection, it has to be a linear network.

Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

Is the above the correct basic system logic?

How do I determine how many boosters I need?

This is always the sixty four dollar question. ... BigGrin

Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

Am I also right in assuming the boosters should be powered on first before powering the CS2?

I would certainly be looking at having them on the same power switch so they all turn on together. The cs2 certainly checks the software revision in each booster and will update if needed, you see this happen when doing a software update on a cs2.

Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post

I am also interested to understand if I should consider powering lighting to building, street lights and other misc. lighting through the boosters (and CS) or if I should have a separate circuit for the lighting so as to reduce the power draw trough the CS and boosters? If so what would people recommend as a power source for such lighting?

Any thoughts/comments greatly received.


If getting to the point of having boosters, especially more than one, then personally my response would be it is time to power other things seperately - there has to be a use for the old transformers you cannot use to power the cs2 and boosters ... BigGrin

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