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What is the weight of the Shay? Edited by moderator 03 May 2025 22:58:08(UTC)
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" By 1945 the WM used the massive, 136 ton four-truck Shay Number 5 in the Appalachians."
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I have visited the Cass RR in West Virginia a couple of times to learn about Shays and watch them run. They are fascinating machines.
I was crazy busy where these were announced and I forgot to follow up. By the time I did they were long gone and I had missed my chance to own one. Maybe someday. |
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Sorry, I was asking the weight of Märklin 38700 Shay. I should be clearer on my question.
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The 38700 weight is 568g.
Rafael |
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Originally Posted by: rbonet  The 38700 weight is 568g.
Rafael So not to scale.
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Originally Posted by: rhfil
So not to scale.
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Originally Posted by: rhfil
So not to scale.
Yes - about 2,5 times too heavy. |
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Better put that preiser train driver and fireman on a big diet.  |
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I have read review at stummiforum report a issue with screw/joint, gear, shafts came loose after 30 minutes running.
Report say M recall? Sold out at Marklin mean stop delivery due to problem? |
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That is interesting news. My Shay is still with German dealer so that is good news.
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So, it's basically a 568g paperweight?
Unless you inspect and service it every 15-20 minutes?
Hope they find a reliable solution to the issue.
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Do we know if this Shay is a collaboration with another company? |
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Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Do we know if this Shay is a collaboration with another company? The loco comes from BLI moulds, so probably "Made in China", but couplers, centre-rail slider and decoder are probably Märklin originals. That's what they call "co-operation". |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Do we know if this Shay is a collaboration with another company? The loco comes from BLI moulds, so probably "Made in China", but couplers, centre-rail slider and decoder are probably Märklin originals. That's what they call "co-operation". The article that was linked over here suggests it would be Vietnam, but I suspect a number of components, such as motors, would be sourced from China.
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I am not really concerned by the country of assembly or by the origin of the components. I have many Märklin models made in China which are fine in all respects. I do have a problem with BLI sourced models, which was why I asked the question. |
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Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan The article that was linked over here suggests it would be Vietnam, but I suspect a number of components, such as motors, would be sourced from China. From the article: Quote:We now import 1/3 of our product from Vietnam, which only has a 10% tariff. How are the odds that the complete product qualifies as "Made in China" according to US laws? |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj I am not really concerned by the country of assembly or by the origin of the components. I have many Märklin models made in China which are fine in all respects. I do have a problem with BLI sourced models, which was why I asked the question. I don't have any definitive proof, but based on the timing and the pictures published by BLI and Märklin and their history of cooperation, I would say that it's very likely that BLI and Märklin are cooperating on this model. So, a guess is that the first production run was probably the Märlin AC version, then it's perhaps Trix DC, and then BLI will make their versions. Bli has also stated earlier that " we share a factory with two other manufacturers" when they explained the reasons for some general delays on locomotives. (But I don't know if that statement applies to the factory where the Shay is produced.) ref : The Broadway Flyer February 2025 and Project Updates
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HO, by U.S. laws? Whose exactly we don't know currently. Some seem to change daily, weekly, or monthly with moods and backlashes.
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Originally Posted by: H0 How are the odds that the complete product qualifies as "Made in China" according to US laws? BTW: If anyone here received the Shay with a "Made in..." sticker, I'd like to read what the sticker says. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Mine is coming from Modelbahn Shoppe Lippe as soon as it lands I will post pictures. I have the fedex tracking notification emailed to me but I'm expecting a few more days before its in my hands. Unless of course they are holding onto it for the above mentioned problem. I have two sets of the loaded flat cars that goes with the loco already in hand.
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Originally Posted by: bgemski Mine is coming from Modelbahn Shoppe Lippe as soon as it lands I will post pictures. It won't have a "Made in..." sticker and most likely the tariff for EU products will be applied, if any. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: H0 It won't have a "Made in..." sticker and most likely the tariff for EU products will be applied, if any.
True - the country stickers are only applied to the models which are sold through US dealers. I would be interested in seeing how MSL handles the tariff costs and if they make the impact clear. |
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Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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My SBB Giruno I bought from Lippe has no ticker. The extension set I bought stateside and says Hungary.
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 Landed today and did a test run. I really like the sounds and seems well built.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Correct, BLI also offers different road names and numbers. But their roaster also includes Western Maryland #5 - and AFAIK that is what Märklin offers. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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I saw the loco today (I'm in munich on business) - I love it!!! |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain I have read review at stummiforum report a issue with screw/joint, gear, shafts came loose after 30 minutes running.
Report say M recall? Sold out at Marklin mean stop delivery due to problem? Any update regarding the gear shaft issue?
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Here is a short video showing the operation of the complex drivetrain on this model. |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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I have run mine for almost 30 minutes, however not continuously. I have to admit that seeing the system in action is impressive. So far, knock on wood, I have had no issues. Hopefully I don't in the future.
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This comment is on the border of helpful vs "hot air", but some notes:
1- I have had a lot of luck with the newer Broadway Limited steam locos (I have a few in DC), and from their mailing list I know they did a lot of work- even delaying release- to get the shay working correctly, including around tighter curves.
As such I would assume design is not the problem, but rather assembly, which on a shay as you can imagine is a massive pain in the backside. The comment about Broadway using a "thicker driveshaft" than Marklin is concerning to me though. Perhaps that is a nod to 3 rail Puko clearance though.
Remember this is about as complex of a drivetrain as humanly possible for a steam locomotive. No other manufacturer has done a "good" one yet. The Bachmann one was low quality, the Roundhouse one was primitive - a kit to shortcut scratchbuilding, and the brass models are quite well constructed but typically need/needed a heavy dose of fine tuning if you were going to put some mileage on them. |
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