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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#1 Posted : 31 March 2025 15:37:24(UTC)
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Caveat: I have searched here and, hopefully, read as many threads as are archived herein in re 4MFOR. I may have missed 1 or 2, but there is one wee bit that I have not figured out. I do have a few of the 4MFORs.

I read about the "4M" - got that one right on!

What does the "FOR" stand for or represent?

FOR as in "Forged from Metal"?

FOR as in "Force Majeure"?

Confused

Probably a quick answer and dead obvious, but I am missing the train, so to speakLOL

p. s. I did not want to drag one of the old threads back (which as you know is my usual stream of action...LOL ) just for a simple thing not related to the items themselves.

Thanks in advance!

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 31 March 2025 16:15:08(UTC)
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Hi Jimmy
A search in German gives me this "4MFOR“ is for "Metal Military Mission by Märklin"
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#3 Posted : 31 March 2025 20:56:52(UTC)
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Another thought for the FOR :

Fend Off Roco (Minitanks?)

LOL

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#4 Posted : 01 April 2025 11:58:40(UTC)
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And even though Mutti M has not technically revived the 4MFOR branding, she does occasionally (e. g. New Items 2025 pp. 55-56 and 2024 catalogue pp. 33-34 a nod to Era II) offer military items that possess a "passing" Wink Wink resemblance to the bygone 4MFOR Cool (I do note that the 2025 catalog says the vehicles are Schuco...but still! )

p. s. still do not know what that old "FOR" stood for...Blink

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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 01 April 2025 12:17:52(UTC)
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p. s. still do not know what that old "FOR" stood for...Blink
Neither do I.

But FOR in KFOR, SFOR, and UNPROFOR is for Force.

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#6 Posted : 01 April 2025 12:23:30(UTC)
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That does make sense now. I truly was unaware of that particular idiom/abbreviation. Blushing Thanks Tom!!

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p. s. Note please that I did resist the temptation to cross-link all of the threads from 2007 through 2013 (10+ threads/references) in re 4MFOR Drool LOL ...(You are welcome Cool )

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#7 Posted : 06 April 2025 18:18:03(UTC)
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I found another possibility for the "FOR", which is also used:

"Force Operations Readiness"" Cool

FOR is much easier to say than all those collective syllables LOL

Intriguingly, the possibility mentioned by Tom above (FORce) as well as this one here are all rendered in English, and I have found no "FOR" in the German Military Abbreviations encyclopedia ( I could be mistaken Blushing )

Granted, the whole thing could be:

A balancing of the logo 4 (four) M For, per the Marketing DepartmentBlink I wonder if it was ever verbally noted as "Vier"MFOR...Blink

or even

4M for you! (Mr Collector!)LOL That would be me...LOL
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#8 Posted : 09 April 2025 14:37:53(UTC)
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So, it is entirely possible that I have missed a reference with the many threads, and for that I apologise in advance.Blushing

There is another source for this particular genre. This is:

Artitec

https://www.artitecshop.com/en/military/

And primarily I think 4MFOR has been, as mentioned previously, a response to Roco Minitanks series (and, perhaps, to...cough, cough Unsure ...move some Schuco product) and yet it may be a broader field than I imagined. One could certainly add some Artitec items to an empty car or loading area. Why not?

Or: Is Artitec in a class unto themselves?

I am not trying to trespass on the properties of those who create fabulous , stunning dioramas of this field (often in other scales than 1:87). That is another artistry altogether.

Any thoughts? Just asking for my own information as I work through the labyrinth.Cool

Thanks!
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#9 Posted : 09 April 2025 15:32:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
So, it is entirely possible that I have missed a reference with the many threads, and for that I apologise in advance.Blushing

There is another source for this particular genre. This is:

Artitec

https://www.artitecshop.com/en/military/

And primarily I think 4MFOR has been, as mentioned previously, a response to Roco Minitanks series (and, perhaps, to...cough, cough Unsure ...move some Schuco product) and yet it may be a broader field than I imagined. One could certainly add some Artitec items to an empty car or loading area. Why not?

Or: Is Artitec in a class unto themselves?

I am not trying to trespass on the properties of those who create fabulous , stunning dioramas of this field (often in other scales than 1:87). That is another artistry altogether.

Any thoughts? Just asking for my own information as I work through the labyrinth.Cool

Thanks!

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#10 Posted : 09 April 2025 16:20:25(UTC)
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#11 Posted : 10 April 2025 11:59:01(UTC)
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As a fan of Basil Fawlty, I try not to mention 'the war'.

That said, I have a 37024 loco hauling a the 45097 unmarked aeroplane set.
The grand fantasy is the paint the 45097 set to match the loco. But I don't need or want tanks to go with it.
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#12 Posted : 10 April 2025 13:57:48(UTC)
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