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jonas_sthlm		#1 Posted : 12 February 2025 11:05:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Has anyone noted any information on any upcoming updates or maybe everything is perfect? I still have M4 protocol turned off on all ESU decoders....
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JohnjeanB		#2 Posted : 12 February 2025 11:50:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,550 Location: Paris, France		Hi Jonas I have made a search in German forums to check for any leaks about an update in preparation for the CS3 and found nothing. As you know the last one was 2.5.2 released in Feb 2024 to correct bugs on the 2.5.1 released in Nov 2023. It is very likely that Märklin is working hard on the replacement of the CS3 (released in 2016 and already 9 years old) As a reference, the CS2 (60213) was released in 2008 and lasted until 2016 (8 years) so the replacement is already past due. Sorry for my simple reasonning and recap of things you already know. I wouldn't be surprized of a new unit without screen (screen is costly and always too small) but with much more processing power and train follow-up (it knows where trains are in real time like Rocrail and its competitors do). So until that release of a new unit, I am expecting CS3 updates will be scarce BTW: I have to hats off to you about disabling the M4 protocol on ESU decoders is a very wise decision. I should have done this because CS3 update 2.5.1 garbled the only ESU decoder (Loksound 5 mini) I had and is now useless because a lok Programmer is needed to correct the mess this 2.5.1 release has created (which I have no intention of purchasing). Cheers Jean
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jonas_sthlm		#3 Posted : 12 February 2025 12:15:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		I find it a bit hard to believe that a new replacement to CS3 will come anytime soon, considering there was barely enough budget to expand the C track system. They needs to be understood that it cannot incorporate a full PC application like Rocrail or TC so stick to a more basic controls. It feels like they had difficulty providing even a small update, such as firmware for the decoder and system English translation. Over time, M has changed their digital equipment, but we still use the old ESU USB hardware with the Programmer software to this day. Can you clarify what you're referring to with "damage 5 decoder"? Are you talking about some kind of hardware failure and did you find any information to fix decoder.... I had a 5 MKL where AUX 3 and 4 output suddenly stopped functioning but i try to reset it and upgrade with latest FW with Programmer without any success. I received a response from the manufacturer of the PCB where the decoder is mounted. They stated that the two LEDs connected to AUX 3 and 4 could not be damaged and I believe that too. Either something crap from ESU or CS3 has create an issue with the decoder. I don't bother try contact ESU because it's like a black hole in space with an echo millions of years later.
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bph		#4 Posted : 12 February 2025 12:24:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,144		They are working on an update, so probably noting very immediate, but hopefully in 1-2 months or........
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jonas_sthlm		#5 Posted : 12 February 2025 13:00:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Is it a hypothesis because they need their new locomotive icons for Intermodellbau Dortmund in April?
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bph		#6 Posted : 12 February 2025 13:25:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,144		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Is it a hypothesis because they need their new locomotive icons for Intermodellbau Dortmund in April? no hypothesis. the information was on an actual software update, and not a minor update with icons etc
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Goofy		#7 Posted : 12 February 2025 13:52:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		It seems Märklin have some problem by update system because due to the cost and solve technical problem too. Customer write some problems with the soft program and use VNC viewers. Of course with the PC program which are waste for me if you have already screen view on the CS3. If Märklin will show up a new digital system like a black box and use mobil/tablet as cab control okey! A new update will soon or later show up anyway but when?
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 12 February 2025 14:05:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Is it a hypothesis because they need their new locomotive icons for Intermodellbau Dortmund in April? no hypothesis. the information was on an actual software update, and not a minor update with icons etc There was something in an announcement recently (before Christmas IIRC) which implied there would be an update in the foreseeable future. I can't recall what it was I was reading at the time, but there was a definite inference on an update when 'reading between the lines'.
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bph		#9 Posted : 12 February 2025 14:26:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,144		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Is it a hypothesis because they need their new locomotive icons for Intermodellbau Dortmund in April? no hypothesis. the information was on an actual software update, and not a minor update with icons etc There was something in an announcement recently (before Christmas IIRC) which implied there would be an update in the foreseeable future. I can't recall what it was I was reading at the time, but there was a definite inference on an update when 'reading between the lines'. yes, there was some information earlier, but the above information is recent information from Feb 2025. However, if they encounter some issues it will be delayed......
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rhfil		#10 Posted : 12 February 2025 14:49:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		Every year Marklin adds to its line of mfx+ locos which is a unique feature of Marklin locos and requires the Marklin CS3 to take advantage of. But there is little information out there about it and few modelers use it. One of the problems is that it requires a straight run as it completely ties up the CS3 screen. I think any update will be aimed at increased use of the mfx+ feature otherwise why the investment in it.
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marklinist5999		#11 Posted : 12 February 2025 14:57:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		There is a USA webinar today, so maybe we will find out something more? I don't connect my CS3 to the web usually until I know there are updates. Too many hackers out there.
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jonas_sthlm		#12 Posted : 12 February 2025 15:07:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		How many is really playing with train cabin (mfx+) today? The only good thing is that the function button arrive automatic into the device and some other CV. When it comes to VNC viewers I only using that sometime for maybe adding lok icons and function button but that can be done with web interface. To speed up the CS3 system i reduce the icon other vice the mobile slows when selecting someone..... I think it will crash before I even get to half of all the locomotives
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marklinist5999		#13 Posted : 12 February 2025 15:33:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		I like the cab driving feature, occasionally, but only while running one train. It is different, because of the truer to prototype acceleration and braking. I think the only improvement the CS would need is better graphics for it. Like Roco Z-21 has.
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rhfil		#14 Posted : 12 February 2025 17:25:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		I heard a story/rumor that when the first mfx+ locos came out they were shipped with the "World of Operations" selected and the locos would soon run out of water and stop. That resulted in their being sent back. One of the odd features is the ability to set maintenance locations on your layout. If that were tied somehow to functioning maintenance facilities such as water towers or coaling stations it would improve the reality. It appears that might have been planned but never completed. One of the glitches I found is that once you select the ability to locate maintenance facilities you can't really unselect them.
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Dirtboy		#15 Posted : 12 February 2025 21:27:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/12/2014(UTC) Posts: 46 Location: Dallas, TX		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Hi Jonas ...It is very likely that Märklin is working hard on the replacement of the CS3 (released in 2016 and already 9 years old) As a reference, the CS2 (60213) was released in 2008 and lasted until 2016 (8 years) so the replacement is already past due... This is why I'm a bit hesitant to buy a CS3; I'm sure once I get it a new version (CS4?) will be released...
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marklinist5999		#16 Posted : 13 February 2025 01:19:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		I think the CS 3 is great and even if a new one is released, the current one will be supported with updates for a long time. As for the world of operation settings, you can select with or without fuel, sand and water consumption. Without consumption, the loco will not stop. Some have suggested that a virtual type of control system is on the horizon, but I don't think I would care for it. I'm not a video gamer in the least.
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rhfil		#17 Posted : 13 February 2025 02:31:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		I model only steamers from eras 1/2. But I tried nearly every mfx+ locomotive in World of Operations just to see the different controls. The deadstick requirement of the electrics and diesels nearly drove me crazy until I figured out what it was. And I ran out of water a number of times with my steamers. But it taught me just how demanding running a steamer was. And when I first experimented with it stopping the locomotive on an exact spot was necessary and difficult. That requirement no longer exists.
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Goofy		#18 Posted : 13 February 2025 11:34:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		When Märklin present a new update for the CS3, make sure after the upgrade your CS3 work. I recommended you to check. By the way...i have never used "world of operation" because i want to control my locomotives by self and it´s just only model railway. If i want to use train games i do it via PC games instead. Not with the CS3!
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marklinist5999		#19 Posted : 13 February 2025 13:28:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Goofy, when the updates are complete, the CS 3 restarts and it is obvious if it works. With world of operation you still control the locos by self. It's just more like driving a real life train.
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BenP		#20 Posted : 13 February 2025 13:38:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 477 Location: USA		Instead of a cs4, which will be pushing $1000, a cs3 mini would be a good addition. Same innards and ports, but without touch screen and knobs. And with wifi. Users use VNC or pc software for visual control. Same parts, so $400 or less seems reasonable. Ben
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rhfil		#21 Posted : 13 February 2025 15:13:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		When I receive notice of a CS3 update I first save a dated copy of the existing operating system on both the CS3 and a thumb drive. That gives me a restore in the event I do mot like the change.
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marklinist5999		#22 Posted : 13 February 2025 17:06:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		I want a screen!
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LeoArietis		#23 Posted : 13 February 2025 17:27:22(UTC) Retweet
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steventrain		#24 Posted : 13 February 2025 18:18:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		The next update for CS3 due April 2025 - Marklin. No plan for CS4.
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marklinist5999		#25 Posted : 13 February 2025 19:13:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Linux is open platform Leo. Marklin uses it.
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jonas_sthlm		#26 Posted : 13 February 2025 20:40:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Originally Posted by: steventrain The next update for CS3 due April 2025 - Marklin. No plan for CS4. Nice that they provides which year
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kiwiAlan		#27 Posted : 13 February 2025 20:42:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Linux is open platform Leo. Marklin uses it. But that is only the underlying operating system. The stuff that does the real work is not open platform, but proprietary Marklin code.
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jonas_sthlm		#28 Posted : 13 February 2025 21:32:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		As I have said before, there should be more openness and transparency about the existing problems and the measures being taken for the next update. There shouldn't be any surprises like last time with the ESU 5 decoder, as they should have had time to test it. Their updates releases are more like a Kinder Surprise Egg Dose any know if Uhlenbrock is the provider of digital hardware "especially decoder" and service development?
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Kanga		#29 Posted : 14 February 2025 02:29:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2017(UTC) Posts: 36 Location: Northern Territory, Australia		My screen hasn't worked (GUI software issue) for a couple of years/ many updates. Marklin says to send it back to them. I just keep using a laptop. Karl
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jonas_sthlm		#30 Posted : 14 February 2025 08:41:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Originally Posted by: steventrain No plan for CS4. I am more concerned that it doesn't end up like a joint project with PIKO.
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Goofy		#31 Posted : 14 February 2025 09:37:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Goofy, when the updates are complete, the CS 3 restarts and it is obvious if it works. With world of operation you still control the locos by self. It's just more like driving a real life train. Not sure and that´s way i recommended CS3 users to check in case. World of operation in the CS3 is a small PC game which are waste of time for me. If i want a PC train games i do it via PC.
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Pasquiles		#32 Posted : 14 February 2025 12:48:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Luxembourg, Luxembourg		I do not see business reason to have a new CS from Märklin point of view. From the user side I cannot find any functionality that I am really missing, specially after the release of the new wireless mobile station. And the re-release of the app web interface for the tablets and telephones.
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dickinsonj		#33 Posted : 15 February 2025 01:23:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,796 Location: Crozet, Virginia		I agree Pasquiles. I think they did a good job selecting the hardware for the CS3 and that they can do most near term upgrades with better software. But of course I am a software guy, so I see a fix for every problem there.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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marklinist5999		#34 Posted : 15 February 2025 13:40:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Jim, I think you are right about that. Always a possibility for change or improvements. Vehicle screens and apps for example. Our son was doing that for Ford in one of his group rotations. There were features that lessee and owners either wanted that weren't included in the model year or ones that were removed in consecutive models. I don't care for some of the changes our car has. Examples like adding the climate control system to the screen. I have to take my eyes off the road to adjust the temperature or set the rear defrost. At least fan speed is automatic. Also the heated seats and steering wheel are now on screen. It's a 2024. The 2020 still had buttons. Additionally, the remote start features were changed, Only the driver's seat heats up when you use it. I don't know if that is owner settable or not. The manual is also either on screen or online. I prefer it printed in a book. Also the rear doors can not be just opened when locked by touching the door handles. Only the front doors. The puddle lamps on the mirrors are no longer, and the key touch pad in the driver's door pillar. The power seats have fewer movements as well. They only raise up or down. You can't only raise knee bolster rake. Not best for trips. Cost cutting for production while increasing the prices.
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bph		#35 Posted : 17 February 2025 23:03:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,144		I like the CS3 user interface and form factor. and I'm glad that the CS3 has its own screen that runs on Linx and that I'm not depending on Microsoft, google or apple etc to run my trains. a black box solution is not for me, but I recognise that others prefer that solution. so when/if Markin releases the CS4 I hope they release it in two versions one with and one without a screen. but back to a planned update, and some speculation, I would not be surprised if we see a small update first, with "only" new loc icons and new decoder firmware files, especially if the main update is delayed. And I prefer them to iron out the bugs before the release even if that means delaying the release.
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Copenhagen		#36 Posted : 18 February 2025 09:58:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 491 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		I agree with bph above. Thought about commenting about the matter some time ago. My thoughts are that screens are likely dirt cheap these days and wont contribute much to the price of a product, and that the market isn't big enough to justify two versions af a new control station.
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David Dewar		#37 Posted : 18 February 2025 13:26:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,446 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: Copenhagen I agree with bph above. Thought about commenting about the matter some time ago. My thoughts are that screens are likely dirt cheap these days and wont contribute much to the price of a product, and that the market isn't big enough to justify two versions af a new control station. Yes I agree we dont need two versions. A newer version with a slightly larger screen would be fine. I dont need another monitor taking up room on the desk or any other hard or software as a CS3 does all I and probably most will ever need. I can see the day when all we will have is software with no actual models but trains running on a large TV type screen. OK not serious but would not be surprised if the youngsters of the future will just run a layout on their phones while walking back from school.
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dickinsonj		#38 Posted : 18 February 2025 14:10:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,796 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: David Dewar OK not serious but would not be surprised if the youngsters of the future will just run a layout on their phones while walking back from school. I could see that happening as we blur the line between what is real and what is an illusion. Luckily that won't happen right away because at that point all of the magic of model trains would be gone for me David.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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marklinist5999		#39 Posted : 18 February 2025 15:06:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		That would be an opportunbirty for A.I. developers. When my son in law who is a web developer aske me if I'd be interested in a vurtual model train layout tjhat could have all of my trains, then I could sell my collection, I told him if that were available, then no younger people would want to or have a need for collecting tangable models. So no, I would not want that. For me, there would be no hobby.
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mbarreto		#40 Posted : 18 February 2025 15:55:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,333		The current train simulators are already filling part of the needs of ones that lean more towards that.
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marklinist5999		#41 Posted : 18 February 2025 16:41:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yes, but I have only seen simulators that look animated.
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Goofy		#42 Posted : 18 February 2025 21:43:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		An AI virtual train program will kill and terminate companies who produce model railway toys. To add this in the CS3...Märklin should made a bigger screen!
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jonas_sthlm		#43 Posted : 21 April 2025 10:33:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Originally Posted by: steventrain The next update for CS3 due April 2025 - Marklin. No plan for CS4. Now we are approaching the end of April... I still have the feeling that something is wrong with GFP3: (12.113) that causes it to overload at startup
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