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Offline Coen236  
#1 Posted : 14 December 2024 11:16:28(UTC)
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Is it normal the train gets small sparks under the wheel, or do I need to fix anything? (nothing happend yet)
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 14 December 2024 11:30:16(UTC)
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Hi

Originally Posted by: Coen236 Go to Quoted Post
Is it normal the train gets small sparks under the wheel, or do I need to fix anything? (nothing happend yet)


With C Track, it is definitely not normal I think because, usually sparks are indicatives of short current peacks results of short-circuits.
I suggest you
- wipe your rails with a piece of softwood, not forgetting the studs (the only thing in C Track that rusts
- make sure all sliders are in good shape (no grove), STRAIGHT, exactly at an equal distance between the wheels
- clean the wheels. I use a wood stirrer (from drinks) to remove the big things and finish with a cotton bud wet with Isopropyl alcool
- have the locos axle clean. The easiest is to let them run for a while after having lightly lubricated them (Using a seringe is best)

NOTE: do not expect your train to run absolutely fine after not using them for more than one or two weeks
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Offline marklinist5999  
#3 Posted : 14 December 2024 14:40:18(UTC)
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Occasionally I have noticed tiny sparks as a slider runs over turnouts, but it doesn't affect the smooth running, or trip my CS3 to stop. Possibly dust oir a crroked slider?
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Offline rhfil  
#4 Posted : 14 December 2024 15:13:04(UTC)
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I found felt furniture pads which I cut and soak with isopropyl alcohol to clean c-track. The felt is dense and does not leave residue on the track even the center nubs.
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Offline PeFu  
#5 Posted : 14 December 2024 21:19:57(UTC)
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Note that isopropyl alcohol is a major contributor to micro sparks and dirt on the tracks. Consider choosing another liquid for cleaning from the table on page four of this article:

https://s3-us-west-2.ama...online/index.html?page=9

(Myself, I’m using a Contact Cleaner since a couple of years, and am very impressed.)
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Offline xxup  
#6 Posted : 14 December 2024 22:24:30(UTC)
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That's a really good article.

It would be good to overlay that article with another one about wheel slippage on tracks. I suggest that kersosene would not be a good choice, even though it has the best non-polar rating, as the wheels would slip on the rails from the oily residue.

The problem is that model trains also have rubber tyres. https://www.fernco.com.a...e-Chart-V002JUL22-LR.pdf is another chart to overlay, but we need to understand the type of rubber used on Marklin locos.
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Offline bph  
#7 Posted : 14 December 2024 23:50:36(UTC)
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You also have the new cleaner/smoke "oil" from Marklin 02423 and 02422 acoring to the datasheets its basically the same as Steam & Clean Reinigungsdestillat from Hygi
The stuff seems to be basically purified kerosine/paraffin. (C11-13 isoparaffin). and interestingly seems to have a dielectric constant of 2.12

Some contact cleaners might be hard on paint and some plastics, so an Electronic cleaner or similar might be better, as they often are not so "strong". In either case, look for plastic and subbe safe ones.


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Offline Coen236  
#8 Posted : 15 December 2024 12:23:11(UTC)
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Only the slider sparks a tiny bit. not that the sparks come out of the wheels or something . It is not constant but every 2 seconds 2 tiny sparks. I saw this in a other modelroad too, so First I think it was normal. Also it does nothing to the speed oor something
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 15 December 2024 13:00:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
You also have the new cleaner/smoke "oil" from Marklin 02423 and 02422 acoring to the datasheets its basically the same as Steam & Clean Reinigungsdestillat from Hygi
The stuff seems to be basically purified kerosine/paraffin. (C11-13 isoparaffin). and interestingly seems to have a dielectric constant of 2.12

Some contact cleaners might be hard on paint and some plastics, so an Electronic cleaner or similar might be better, as they often are not so "strong". In either case, look for plastic and subbe safe ones.




The new smoke oil appears to be the same stuff as used in smoke machines at pop concerts and the like. It seems to be an alcohol based mix rather than a hydrocarbon based mix, which is why they claim it doesn't leave an oily residue.
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Offline bph  
#10 Posted : 15 December 2024 14:40:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
You also have the new cleaner/smoke "oil" from Marklin 02423 and 02422 acoring to the datasheets its basically the same as Steam & Clean Reinigungsdestillat from Hygi
The stuff seems to be basically purified kerosine/paraffin. (C11-13 isoparaffin). and interestingly seems to have a dielectric constant of 2.12

Some contact cleaners might be hard on paint and some plastics, so an Electronic cleaner or similar might be better, as they often are not so "strong". In either case, look for plastic and subbe safe ones.




The new smoke oil appears to be the same stuff as used in smoke machines at pop concerts and the like. It seems to be an alcohol based mix rather than a hydrocarbon based mix, which is why they claim it doesn't leave an oily residue.



I'm not a chemist but I don't believe it is alcohol-based, the safety data sheet states that it contains 100 % Hydrocarbons, C11-C13, isoalkanes, <2% aromatics. also known as C11-13 isoparaffin.
and it is used in a lot of products from flamethrowers car wax, solvents and cosmetics. "Variations" in the Carbon numbers are also common.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#11 Posted : 15 December 2024 15:04:39(UTC)
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Parafin and water makes ense, and is non toxic, which the new fluid is.
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Offline FastEddie  
#12 Posted : 17 December 2024 19:32:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Occasionally I have noticed tiny sparks as a slider runs over turnouts, but it doesn't affect the smooth running, or trip my CS3 to stop. Possibly dust oir a crroked slider?


Sparks from wheels are normally due to dirt on track or wheels. If the sparks happen over a turnout, check your contact slider for alignment and balanced pressure at both ends of the slider. If the spark is happening when you are going over a turnout that connects two C track circuits, reverse the polarity of one of your transformers (turn the plug around), you are causing a short by connecting two transformers with opposite polarity.
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Offline Coen236  
#13 Posted : 28 December 2024 21:02:26(UTC)
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WHats happening now:

Sometimes on the rail the train stops randomly and then I need to push it and it go's further again.

If the rail is like 2 meters away from the trasnformer, it is going very slow on same power. Guess the contact between the rail is not that good, how can I fix it?

Also today when I was driving, I noticed a big spark was coming of the slider or the wheels (near or on the switches) It was just something as a sparkler you use on new year. Just for a fraction of a second, but it din't look good. This happend 3 times near or on the switches. Any fix or help? I cleaned the track now whit some kitchen, worked a bit;)

thanks for replying!
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Offline Copenhagen  
#14 Posted : 28 December 2024 22:15:03(UTC)
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What kind of locomotive is it? Is it new or old?
Do you have other locomotives? And how do they behave?
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Offline Goofy  
#15 Posted : 29 December 2024 01:07:46(UTC)
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The sparks that appears are oxid dust results by slider in contact with the stud contact (made of thin tin plate).
It depends contact with the metal.
After months of drive with the slider on the Märklin tracks it result a line of black soot trail on the stud contacts.
Clean your tracks in both rail and the stud contacts.
Do not forget clean the slider too and the wheels!
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Offline Coen236  
#16 Posted : 29 December 2024 09:39:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
After months of drive with the slider on the Märklin tracks it result a line of black soot trail on the stud contacts.


oh yep I did tha/t today! the wheels and slider also!

Did worked a lot better again
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Offline Coen236  
#17 Posted : 29 December 2024 09:44:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
What kind of locomotive is it? Is it new or old?
Do you have other locomotives? And how do they behave?




It's an analouge br 216, It seems not new, but not so old as my fathers schlafwagen xd

Well, like I said it's analouge, so it can't be that new. I don't exacly know how old it is.

Over the stuttering, I don't know exactly but when I drive at 100/150 over it the stuttering is gone. SO my depots are very struggly because the train barely drives there
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