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Offline michelvr  
#1 Posted : 07 January 2023 18:08:02(UTC)
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Bored Welcome news for Marklin C track lovers!

The missing C track piece is finally here from Märklin.

I just read it in the Märklin Insider magazine that I received yesterday.

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Offline Mark5  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2023 19:10:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Bored
Welcome news for Marklin C track lovers!
The missing C track piece is finally here from Märklin.
I just read it in the Märklin Insider magazine that I received yesterday.


Any K-track equivalents?
DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline kiwiAlan  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2023 19:21:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Bored Welcome news for Marklin C track lovers!

The missing C track piece is finally here from Märklin.

I just read it in the Märklin Insider magazine that I received yesterday.


Most of us picked up on this from the Autumn New items ... about 2 months ago.

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Offline michelvr  
#4 Posted : 07 January 2023 19:44:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Bored Welcome news for Marklin C track lovers!

The missing C track piece is finally here from Märklin.

I just read it in the Märklin Insider magazine that I received yesterday.


Most of us picked up on this from the Autumn New items ... about 2 months ago.



You mates in New Zealand and Australia are so lucky to get the Autumn’s New items two months ago as we Canadian just had ours delivered this past week!BigGrin
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#5 Posted : 08 January 2023 00:43:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Bored Welcome news for Marklin C track lovers!

The missing C track piece is finally here from Märklin.

I just read it in the Märklin Insider magazine that I received yesterday.


Most of us picked up on this from the Autumn New items ... about 2 months ago.



You mates in New Zealand and Australia are so lucky to get the Autumn’s New items two months ago as we Canadian just had ours delivered this past week!BigGrin


Well, there are links to downloadable PDF copies put on this forum, and there was some discussion about it at the time.

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#6 Posted : 08 January 2023 01:52:54(UTC)
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Hi
It looks like a very nice design, very sleek, only one motor (I don't need more) but the indicator is sold separately and driven only when using the embedded special decoder.
Availability is very vague: 2023. I suspect it will be around mid-year 2023.
Absolutely no pictures of this 60720 DSS are to be found on the web, so some more development is needed.

Now my question: when will the C flexible track will be released?

Note: the fall prospect and corresponding video are available on the web since months

Cheers
Jean
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Offline michelvr  
#7 Posted : 10 January 2023 01:36:24(UTC)
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Uh oh I realized I used the wrong emoji Bored instead of BigGrin as this is wonderful news! Cool

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Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 10 January 2023 06:16:21(UTC)
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Not a chance that C-track flexrail will be present. It’s difficult by fix the stud contact at other side of the end by connect next track. Two rail tracks are better due to the contact rail.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#9 Posted : 10 January 2023 12:09:00(UTC)
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Hi
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Not a chance that C-track flexrail will be present.

Yes the flex track is difficult because of the C Track extremities, molded in hard plastic but companies like Faller mastered the injection technique of different plastics in different places.
Never underestimate human ingenuity.
Jean

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Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 10 January 2023 12:48:51(UTC)
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You can do it for two rail but not Märklin C-track because of the stud contact. It is easy for K-tracks but it’s difference from C-track.
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Offline LeoArietis  
#11 Posted : 29 March 2023 12:47:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
You can do it for two rail but not Märklin C-track because of the stud contact. It is easy for K-tracks but it’s difference from C-track.


Just construct the studcontact on the underside like an infinite connected Z or reversering E:s (similar to how it's done on K-track) and it could be easily bent and still maintain it's place.


It's the rails that will have to be able to either be cut to length or be able to slide into each other.


Great news the slim double slip finally is comming.
Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#12 Posted : 30 April 2023 19:12:27(UTC)
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On the Stummiforum there are photos of the Märklin slim double slip turnout recently taken in Dortmund together with hints that it should become available in 3Q2023 (Trix verson in 4Q2023):

https://www.stummiforum....ution-90.html#msg2548626
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Offline Henrik Schütz  
#13 Posted : 30 April 2023 22:34:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
You can do it for two rail but not Märklin C-track because of the stud contact. It is easy for K-tracks but it’s difference from C-track.


Märklin applied for a patent for flexible c track years ago..

If i find my copy of the application , ill post it hete.

Henrik

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Offline Henrik Schütz  
#14 Posted : 01 May 2023 13:21:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeoArietis Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
You can do it for two rail but not Märklin C-track because of the stud contact. It is easy for K-tracks but it’s difference from C-track.


Just construct the studcontact on the underside like an infinite connected Z or reversering E:s (similar to how it's done on K-track) and it could be easily bent and still maintain it's place.


It's the rails that will have to be able to either be cut to length or be able to slide into each other.


Great news the slim double slip finally is comming.


https://www.google.se/pa...lR_EDHSdcA14Q6AF6BAgFEAM

This is Märklins attempt to make flexible C-track

Henrik

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#15 Posted : 01 May 2023 14:31:30(UTC)
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Hi Henrik
Very interesting indeed but, the patent dates back in 1989 when the C Track was being finalised.
It does not show - I think - a proposed solution to include a flexible rail segement compatible with a normal C track

In my opinion:
- Märklin is definitely working on this
- the difficulty is to mix flexibility (use of elastic and soft material) with the extremity connections (hard plastic).
- the possibility of cutting such a flexible track and still being able to connect it to other C-Track elements is imperative
- One possibility for Märklin is to provide two components: (a) the soft, flexible track as we know it today with other track types and (b) an extremity piece to connect to a C-Track element.
- so the extremity piece must be compatible with a perpendicular cut of the flexible track (if possible, self connecting and self attaching). Tricky but not impossible.

Just my opinion
Jean
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#16 Posted : 01 May 2023 15:00:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Henrik Schütz Go to Quoted Post
https://www.google.se/patents/DE3903843A1?cl=de&dq=m%C3%A4rklin&hl=sv&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ4t3r_9P-AhWlR_EDHSdcA14Q6AF6BAgFEAM

This is Märklins attempt to make flexible C-track

Henrik


In the events chronology stretching from 1989 to 1990, the last entry shows the patent status: "withdrawn".

Sad
Offline LeoArietis  
#17 Posted : 03 January 2024 11:29:23(UTC)
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I wonder when Märklin will start to sell the slim double slip.

I also wonder how they are going to pull the rails into the right position with just one standard motor.



Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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Offline marklinist5999  
#18 Posted : 03 January 2024 11:38:52(UTC)
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It will probably use the same same solenoid with a longer actuator than the current double slip.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#19 Posted : 03 January 2024 18:44:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeoArietis Go to Quoted Post
I wonder when Märklin will start to sell the slim double slip.

I also wonder how they are going to pull the rails into the right position with just one standard motor.





It is due in Q2, so by end of June.

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Offline LeoArietis  
#20 Posted : 17 June 2024 11:45:39(UTC)
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In the
Planned Delivery Dates
Stand: 11.06.2024

The slim double slip is said to be in August 2024; earlier this year, it was said to be in Q3 2024. We have to keep our hopes up. I have an order placed at my local store for this item.
Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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Offline LeoArietis  
#21 Posted : 23 November 2024 13:56:28(UTC)
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U2, I still haven’t found what I’m looking for…

On Stummi forum there now are some pictures in this thread.

https://www.stummiforum....leis-Revolution-100.html
Stummi, C-Gleis revolution
Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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Offline LeoArietis  
#22 Posted : 05 December 2024 20:22:05(UTC)
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It seems not many have been delivered. No more posts or pictures and two weeks have passed since the release.
Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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Online nhumps  
#23 Posted : 17 December 2024 06:43:19(UTC)
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"Joe's Modellbahnlaedle" is now showing double digit stock of the 24720

My preorder with lokmusuem is now showing a percentage allocation for me but i was quite late to preorder.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#24 Posted : 17 December 2024 19:09:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nhumps Go to Quoted Post
"Joe's Modellbahnlaedle" is now showing double digit stock of the 24720

My preorder with lokmusuem is now showing a percentage allocation for me but i was quite late to preorder.


Lokshop has one of my two.

Offline LeoArietis  
#25 Posted : 03 January 2025 18:27:40(UTC)
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I’m currently testing the 12 degree slim double switch.

So far most locos run well or very smooth on this new switch. No problems with newer Märklin locos or the Dekas TMZ and TMY. Also Roco Swedish Rc and Dm3 runs nice as well as both the G6 and MaK1206 from Piko.

The mechanism works very well!

This is a very nice piece of track and the Trix version will look better.
Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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Offline Bill L  
#26 Posted : 05 January 2025 00:48:50(UTC)
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Happy Marklin is finally shipping the C track slim double slips switch. (I know some people will need to pull out some old tracks out of their layout, and put these new switches into their layouts.) Does look nice.

The similar one in K track would look similar in design to this C track version. Anyone know the real reason why it took Marklin folks this long a time. Wonder if it was the electronics or wheels derailing? (These days there are so many different types of wheels being used, so Marklin had to make sure all wheels with different flanges will work without derailing or causing an electrical short.

Congratulations to Marklin.
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Offline LeoArietis  
#27 Posted : 07 January 2025 13:54:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bill L Go to Quoted Post
Happy Marklin is finally shipping the C track slim double slips switch. (I know some people will need to pull out some old tracks out of their layout, and put these new switches into their layouts.) Does look nice.

The similar one in K track would look similar in design to this C track version. Anyone know the real reason why it took Marklin folks this long a time. Wonder if it was the electronics or wheels derailing? (These days there are so many different types of wheels being used, so Marklin had to make sure all wheels with different flanges will work without derailing or causing an electrical short.

Congratulations to Marklin.



The long time for release is most likely linked to the newer history of Marklin. First the older owner failing in economic control and leadership over the firm and Märkling focusing on really odd models and economic decline followed. Then the takeover of Märklin by a cash-grabbing firm with less interest in developing, and declining quality control, and then later the sort of chapter-11-bankruptcy and finally the takeover by the current owner Simba-Dickey-group. The current owner decided it was time to go back to model railroad basics and halt non-profitable projects.

The development of more C-tracks was likely deemed too risky a project that did not show enough short-term profit.

Around 2016, Märklin brought the R3 curved turnouts, with big development costs. It was likely very difficult to get it compatible enough, specially with all the older stuff. Pair this with the overall downturn in model railroad sales.

Maybe the curved R3 sold better than anticipated? Maybe it sparked more interest in a wider radius? Maybe Marklin (and Trix) started to notice lost sales lacking the slim double slip compared to the other brands?

The coronavirus lockdown increased interest in model railroad, so maybe it gave that little extra push?
Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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Online nhumps  
#28 Posted : 14 January 2025 02:37:33(UTC)
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I've got a couple of 24720 and the 74467 decoder on the way to me in NZ now

Now just waiting on the lanterns!
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