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Offline Jeffinoz  
#1 Posted : 27 October 2024 00:40:19(UTC)
Jeffinoz

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I have finally retired and getting my trains out.
It's been a long time since I had my CS out and have forgotten a lot and the manual that came with it glosses over things. I want to setup a simple back and forth shuttle but I can not find anything on youtube or online manuals that explain step by step. Lots of stuff on ones working but not "how too". Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#2 Posted : 27 October 2024 12:09:39(UTC)
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Welcome Jeff and congratulations on your retirement. I use the CS 3 so the first thing I would do is connect your CS 2 to the Internet and install the updates. There may be several since you haven't done it in a long time. The red dot in the system status menu will be there until the updates are done. Afterwards,a green dot will be there. YouTube has plenty of tutorials for Marklin. Just search for CS 2 setup and programming. Even the CS 3 to online manual is vague. I bought the big book.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#3 Posted : 27 October 2024 18:13:57(UTC)
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Hi Jeff
Congrats on your retirement (I retired in 2018 when being 70 and it feels good not to have long-haul flights up to 12 hours in one go)
Indeed updating your CS2 is a very good advice
Here is a video in English


Now how to install a shuttle train?

1- select the loco you wish to set in shuttle mode and edit it (the wrench) and you get this screen
Sans titre.png

2- indicate
  1. the start contact
  2. the middle contact for a limited stop (optional),
  3. the end contact (where the loco reverses after a while)
  4. the desired speed
  5. the desired waiting time for intermediate stops and direction reversals

sans titre1.png

Cheers
Jean
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Offline Jeffinoz  
#4 Posted : 27 October 2024 21:05:36(UTC)
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Thank you, thats exactly what I needed. Appreciate it.
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Offline Jeffinoz  
#5 Posted : 27 October 2024 21:12:01(UTC)
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Thanks for the great tips guys. Retirement has taken some adjustment but now that I have got the SC2 out I'm seeing some purpose. From here I was looking at a building a route and playing with the memory. I'm more of a scenery guy and would like a lot of automation. That would be the next step up with more options from the shuttle I would think. Is that info readily available somewhere because again when I search it's all CS3 and not 2. Again many thanks.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#6 Posted : 28 October 2024 12:45:05(UTC)
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Scenery and detail are the best parts of a layout to me too Jeff. As the CS2 has less memory than a CS3, you may notice slower performance as you fill the memory up.
Offline Jeffinoz  
#7 Posted : 29 October 2024 05:21:12(UTC)
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I have updated my system fine and got my shuttle running beautifully, many thanks.
I have played with the settings and got the speed accelerating and braking sorted now I would love to turn the lights and sounds off and on. There are endless tutorial's on the CS3 but bugger all on the 2.

Cheers
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Offline rhfil  
#8 Posted : 29 October 2024 12:59:01(UTC)
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Not sure what "CS2 appareil principal" does. But your solution would be to buy a Cs3+ as it definitely has lots of tutorials on "events". The + allows you to use the CS2 as a slave. I quite like the shuttle feature of it which seems much easier than the "shuttle" on the CS3. However you can probably look at the "event" tutorials for the CS3 and figure out how to do the same on the CS2.
Offline blid  
#9 Posted : 29 October 2024 13:29:55(UTC)
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From what I have heard, the start is to record the sequence of actions you want. Like: slow down sound bell, stop, bell off, light off. Once recorded the sequence can be edited. When I had a CS2 I used a computer program to control my layout so I haven’t tried this myself.
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Offline rhfil  
#10 Posted : 29 October 2024 18:04:30(UTC)
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You can record an"event" but it works on time so editing is pretty difficult. Best is to get it down right on the recording or start over. Creating an event is actually easier once you figure it out. That can be edited.
Offline rhfil  
#11 Posted : 29 October 2024 18:19:49(UTC)
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You can record an"event" but it works on time so editing is pretty difficult. Best is to get it down right on the recording or start over. Creating an event is actually easier once you figure it out. That can be edited. I have done both and now only do "events".
Offline JohnjeanB  
#12 Posted : 30 October 2024 00:15:12(UTC)
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Hi
Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
Not sure what "CS2 appareil principal" does. But your solution would be to buy a Cs3+ as it definitely has lots of tutorials on "events". The + allows you to use the CS2 as a slave. I quite like the shuttle feature of it which seems much easier than the "shuttle" on the CS3. However you can probably look at the "event" tutorials for the CS3 and figure out how to do the same on the CS2.


CS2 Appareil Principal Since you may have multiple central stations (CS2s CS3s) on each of which you may connect with S88s or a Link88 or both, then you must specify where the contacts for the shuttle operation are connected to

CS3 future purchase CS3 or CS3+
For convenience, a CS3+ has all the options (can connect directly am88 AC (60881) directly and without another power supply to feed the Link 88. The CS3+ can also be a slave to another CS

A CS3, on the other hand is for larger layouts as it connect to a Link88 with three buses for m88 and S88 but requires a power supply for it (60360 or equivalent)
A CS3 is significantly cheaper than a CS3 so the difference absorbs the cost of a Link 88 and its PSU.

So in your case, to have the CS3 master and the CS2 as a slave can be done with either a CS3 or CS3 plus.

There are two things that are not directly transposable from a CS3 to a CS2: the layout (you must redesign TWICE the layout (one for the CS3 and one for the CS2. Events on the CS3 serve the same purpose as the MEMORY on the CS2 but in a vry different way. I am not sure that you may call a MEMORY string of commands on the csé from the CS3 (and vice versa)

To be honest no big deal because the events are not very easy to use and cannot be compared with what you may have on a train control software like Rocrail. The way to control trains from the CS3 is prehistoric: because neither the CS3 nor the CS2 know where each loco is, the only way they have is to interrupt the power (insulated stop section controlled by a signal or a relay.
With Rocrail or its equivalents, it knows in real time where each loco is so it can send a stop or slow down order in digital to the loco. So much less wiring and much more possibilities.

Cheers
Jean

Here is a recent video with a CS3 and Rocrail

Offline Jeffinoz  
#13 Posted : 30 October 2024 11:46:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
You can record an"event" but it works on time so editing is pretty difficult. Best is to get it down right on the recording or start over. Creating an event is actually easier once you figure it out. That can be edited.



and there in lies my problem, thats exactly what I'm trying to achieve but I have know idea how to do any of those things.
I have searched online and and youtube endlessly and can not find any tutorials of PDF's or even a comprehensive manual, as the one that comes with it assumes you already know what your clicking.
Cheers
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Offline rhfil  
#14 Posted : 31 October 2024 22:00:24(UTC)
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It is possible that Marklin's U.S.technical experts covered event programming with the CS2 back in 2016. In their newsletters they covered "Memory Scripting Events" twice. I downloaded all of their newsletters but apparently most of the images of the CS2 screens in those articles did not copy. However they possibly would be willing to send you original copies of them. You can email them at: marklindudes@gmail.com. The articles were in issues 28-1 and 28-2. If not you can provide me your email address and I will try to send you what i have.
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Offline Jeffinoz  
#15 Posted : 01 November 2024 01:07:04(UTC)
Jeffinoz

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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
It is possible that Marklin's U.S.technical experts covered event programming with the CS2 back in 2016. In their newsletters they covered "Memory Scripting Events" twice. I downloaded all of their newsletters but apparently most of the images of the CS2 screens in those articles did not copy. However they possibly would be willing to send you original copies of them. You can email them at: marklindudes@gmail.com. The articles were in issues 28-1 and 28-2. If not you can provide me your email address and I will try to send you what i have.




Appreciate the heads up. I will try and contact them, because I have no idea what you guys are talking about so I need to get back to basics.
Thank you
Offline Jeffinoz  
#16 Posted : 04 November 2024 03:34:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Scenery and detail are the best parts of a layout to me too Jeff. As the CS2 has less memory than a CS3, you may notice slower performance as you fill the memory up.


Im not looking to run a layout, I just want to run a short shuttle with lights and nosies but it's proving imposable.
I might just make dioramas instead and give the trains away.
Offline Jeffinoz  
#17 Posted : 05 November 2024 05:41:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
You can record an"event" but it works on time so editing is pretty difficult. Best is to get it down right on the recording or start over. Creating an event is actually easier once you figure it out. That can be edited. I have done both and now only do "events".


Is there anyway you could explain what an "event" is and how to do one step by step so I will be able to do it too??
Offline rhfil  
#18 Posted : 05 November 2024 15:23:57(UTC)
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An "Event' is a series of things that you program a train or other digitized electronic device to perform. The CS3 allows you to "record", a little like creating a video, an "Event" and then play it back. Or you can also, with a CS3, and I say that because I am not familiar enough with the capabilities of the CS2, create a program which does the same. For example you could with either described above method create a program which had a train at a station perform a variety of functions, then start out, operate switches and other functions en route, pull into a station, stop, perform other functions, and then return to the first station. And this could be repeated as many times as you want and initiated whenever you want. The "Event" would only be limited by the digital functions available. For example I have one railcar which has conductor announcements. I can have those announcements made in the stations and en-route.
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Offline Jeffinoz  
#19 Posted : 06 November 2024 05:56:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
An "Event' is a series of things that you program a train or other digitized electronic device to perform. The CS3 allows you to "record", a little like creating a video, an "Event" and then play it back. Or you can also, with a CS3, and I say that because I am not familiar enough with the capabilities of the CS2, create a program which does the same. For example you could with either described above method create a program which had a train at a station perform a variety of functions, then start out, operate switches and other functions en route, pull into a station, stop, perform other functions, and then return to the first station. And this could be repeated as many times as you want and initiated whenever you want. The "Event" would only be limited by the digital functions available. For example I have one railcar which has conductor announcements. I can have those announcements made in the stations and en-route.




It's great you guys have sorted your layouts but can anyone point me to videos or pdf's that will help me do it as well???
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Offline marklinist5999  
#20 Posted : 06 November 2024 11:34:30(UTC)
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Watch the Marklin USA digital club webinars on YouTube by Curtis Jeng, and Rick Sinclair.
Offline rhfil  
#21 Posted : 06 November 2024 14:37:59(UTC)
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I think his solution of giving the trains away is for the best. Hopefully they go to someone who is willing to learn how the system works and is capable of.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#22 Posted : 06 November 2024 17:40:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jeffinoz Go to Quoted Post


Is there anyway you could explain what an "event" is and how to do one step by step so I will be able to do it too??

Hi Jeff
I Suggest you watch these videos in English. I think they are great to get started au automation (many other topics too!

For a CS2, I found this (how to create a chain of digital orders)

On latest software you may edit more finely the delays, etc
memory-edit-Fahrstrassenelement bearbeiten.png
and here is how the "route" is triggered
memory-Arbeiten-Erweitert.png

Cheers
Jean
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Offline Jeffinoz  
#23 Posted : 07 November 2024 05:01:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jeffinoz Go to Quoted Post


Is there anyway you could explain what an "event" is and how to do one step by step so I will be able to do it too??

Hi Jeff
I Suggest you watch these videos in English. I think they are great to get started au automation (many other topics too!

For a CS2, I found this (how to create a chain of digital orders)

On latest software you may edit more finely the delays, etc
memory-edit-Fahrstrassenelement bearbeiten.png
and here is how the "route" is triggered
memory-Arbeiten-Erweitert.png

Cheers
Jean


Appreciate the links. I have seen the YouTube videos and they don't explain anything it's just some guy pushing icons and the rest is CS 3 which is just confusing.
I know what the system can do, I can't find any step by step instruction or explanation on how to it.
I'll keep looking.
Thanks
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