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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#1 Posted : 11 October 2024 09:44:39(UTC)
jonas_sthlm

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Hi

Now I have read here and on other forums...

There are many suggtions for AUX output settings, but has Märklin mentioned anything in writing?

telex_output_settings.jpg

So what is considered the right attitude Confused

Off topic, You can connect two telexes in series to a single AUX output.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 11 October 2024 10:57:04(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi Jonas
I like those Telexes E117993 I have read many things about them here in France, in Germany (Stummi forum, etc) and here is what I have learned.
- mapping the Telex output as a Telex is the safest way (AND IS recommended by Märklin) but there is a drawback: when using Rocrail for automatic operation, the delay on some locos to go away is bigger than the Telex timeout resulting in failed decoupling attempt.
- mapping the Telex as a timed output works fine (I set to 8 seconds) but is NOT 100% safe (no local logic but a CS3 or CS2-based protection
Cheers
Jean
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#3 Posted : 11 October 2024 12:17:33(UTC)
jonas_sthlm

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Hi Jean,

Märklin's recommendation to use the Telex Coupler mode does not mention changing the 255 dimmer or the 20 (1.00s) as the default Period [0.05s] value.

I haven't found any documentation from Märklin about AUX settings.

Their models do not connect the Telex leash directly to the AUX output. However, the timeout function should be included in the Telex Coupler settings rules, even if it's not used in their own SUSI configuration.

Leaving the button activated on older Märklin models 37679 with this leash will cause continuous operation until you turn it off.

Sometimes I notice a burning smell, and I wonder if the dimmer value should be lower perhaps 40. Huh

However, if selected, the Telex leash would have altered the values in mDT3 or CS3.
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#4 Posted : 11 October 2024 15:05:08(UTC)
jonas_sthlm

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If you set the dimmer to a lower value then 255, the coupling produces a vibrating sound that intensifies as the value decreases.

My settings will be as follows:
Dimmer = 255
Period = 160 (8.00s)
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Offline Kiko  
#5 Posted : 11 October 2024 22:52:04(UTC)
Kiko

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Hello Jonas,

This is not directly related to the Marklin decoder because I use mostly LokSound decoders, but it might help you in setting some parameters. I have used the Telex E117993 coupler in a few locos. In my opinion, these Telex couplers work really well. BTW, I program my locos to do the "uncoupling dance" routine. Here's a screenshot of the decoder parameters in my LokSound 5.

Good luck!
Andry

Telex Settings.jpg
Andry
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Offline Ross  
#6 Posted : 12 October 2024 05:37:13(UTC)
Ross

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Hi Andry/All,

I have limited my timeout function to 4 seconds and coupler force to 15 which works well for me.


Originally Posted by: Kiko Go to Quoted Post
Hello Jonas,

This is not directly related to the Marklin decoder because I use mostly LokSound decoders, but it might help you in setting some parameters. I have used the Telex E117993 coupler in a few locos. In my opinion, these Telex couplers work really well. BTW, I program my locos to do the "uncoupling dance" routine. Here's a screenshot of the decoder parameters in my LokSound 5.

Good luck!
Andry

Telex Settings.jpg
Ross
Offline Kiko  
#7 Posted : 12 October 2024 05:44:43(UTC)
Kiko

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Originally Posted by: Ross Go to Quoted Post
coupler force to 15

Hello Ross,

I'm not exactly sure about the "coupler force", so I never played around with different settings. I have about a dozen locos that are fitted with these Telex uncouplers and I use the same settings for all of them. I guess I follow the saying "if it aint broke, don't fix it"! BigGrin

Cheers,
Andry
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#8 Posted : 12 October 2024 10:52:14(UTC)
jonas_sthlm

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Indeed, a variety of outcomes can be expected when adjusting ESU settings. ThumpUp

However, the dimmer (power) should be set to 255; otherwise, the coupling starts to produce noise.

My most recent project completion features an old Swedish-style V engine.

Märklin mSD3 with Märklin Telex

Inside the mDT3, there is a sound directory for the V36 Motor which can be utilized in conjunction with the V60 project.


ESU LokSound 5 with Märklin Telex


ESU has indeed provided instructions for their Telex coupler, similar to what one would expect from Märklin when they sell various parts.
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Offline Ross  
#9 Posted : 13 October 2024 00:28:49(UTC)
Ross

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Hi Jonas/All,

The noise you get by reducing the power is very small and is done to reduce burn out of the coil.

I am experimenting with the ESU 41002 coupler and in the instructions ESU recommend reducing the power to a value of 21.

Reducing the power on the Märklin E117993 coupler isn't a problem for me but the coupler is bulky and random uncoupling happens to me alot so I'm looking for an alternative option.


Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
Indeed, a variety of outcomes can be expected when adjusting ESU settings. ThumpUp

However, the dimmer (power) should be set to 255; otherwise, the coupling starts to produce noise.

My most recent project completion features an old Swedish-style V engine.

ESU has indeed provided instructions for their Telex coupler, similar to what one would expect from Märklin when they sell various parts.


Ross
Offline Kiko  
#10 Posted : 13 October 2024 00:52:39(UTC)
Kiko

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Originally Posted by: Ross Go to Quoted Post
I am experimenting with the ESU 41002 coupler

Hello Ross,

I have just received (after a very long wait) the ESU 41002 couplers and also plan to experiment with them. If you have any feedback, please share your experience (pros and cons).

Thanks,
Andry
Andry
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Offline Ross  
#11 Posted : 13 October 2024 06:39:29(UTC)
Ross

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Hi Andry/All,

I have only started testing and it all seems to be working well at the moment, time will tell.

You maybe interested in an English translation of the instructions I managed with the help of Google, I added English diagrams of the Lokprogrammer settings.

ESU 41002 digital Uncoupler

The reasons and method used can be found in the article

Translate Foreign language PDF file to English

Hope this helps





Originally Posted by: Kiko Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Ross Go to Quoted Post
I am experimenting with the ESU 41002 coupler

Hello Ross,

I have just received (after a very long wait) the ESU 41002 couplers and also plan to experiment with them. If you have any feedback, please share your experience (pros and cons).

Thanks,
Andry
Ross
Offline kiwiAlan  
#12 Posted : 13 October 2024 13:05:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ross Go to Quoted Post

Reducing the power on the Märklin E117993 coupler isn't a problem for me but the coupler is bulky and random uncoupling happens to me alot so I'm looking for an alternative option.


Maybe have a look at this one announced on Stummis New items recently.

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Offline bph  
#13 Posted : 13 October 2024 16:37:16(UTC)
bph

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On the locomotives I have, that have the E117993, I have dimmed it down to approx 60 (using marklin mLD3/mSD3). This together with a short period and that I have added coupler waltz to most of them.
I have noticed marklin also has the E117993 directly on the decoder aux and as just a regular function, without dimming and periods etc. So if E117993 is on susi, its probably just coincidence etc.
Offline Kiko  
#14 Posted : 13 October 2024 18:50:53(UTC)
Kiko

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Originally Posted by: Ross Go to Quoted Post
You maybe interested in an English translation of the instructions I managed with the help of Google, I added English diagrams of the Lokprogrammer settings.


This is great! Thank you! BTW, I often visit your web site -- it's a gem of knowledge and help.

Cheer,
Andry
Andry
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Offline Kiko  
#15 Posted : 13 October 2024 18:54:24(UTC)
Kiko

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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Maybe have a look at this one announced on Stummis New items recently.

Hello Alan,

Thanks for that lead. Have you purchased and tried this coupler, or know anyone that did? It looks nice and thin (as opposed to the Marklin one).

Cheers,
Andry

Andry
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#16 Posted : 13 October 2024 19:54:21(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: Kiko Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Maybe have a look at this one announced on Stummis New items recently.

Hello Alan,

Thanks for that lead. Have you purchased and tried this coupler, or know anyone that did? It looks nice and thin (as opposed to the Marklin one).

Cheers,
Andry



No, I just noticed it in passing on the Stummis NI forum, and figured it as an alternative to the Marklin ones. It looks like it is almost as thin as the current Marklin one that you can't buy as a spare. Did you check the video (click on the movie arrow that appears when you mouse-over)?

Probably worth getting a pair at Euro 50 to try out.

Offline Kiko  
#17 Posted : 13 October 2024 20:25:10(UTC)
Kiko

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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Did you check the video (click on the movie arrow that appears when you mouse-over)?

Probably worth getting a pair at Euro 50 to try out.

Hello Alan,

Yes, I looked at the video. They bang that loco against the freight car pretty hard. I usually try to "sneak up" when coupling. The ESU "dance routine" is very smooth and slow, so I'm wondering if these couplers would work just as well. I guess someone needs to try it out and report. 50 euros is quite expensive, but they might be worth it (i.e., for looks at least) and hopefully for function as well. I'll wait till I read some reviews.

Thanks for pointing these out.

Cheers,
Andry

Andry
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Offline Ross  
#18 Posted : 14 October 2024 00:43:56(UTC)
Ross

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Hi Alan/All,

The cost of 50 euros for a pair is way too high.
The ESU 41002 cost 24 Euro for a pair.

Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kiko Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Maybe have a look at this one announced on

Cheers,
Andry



Probably worth getting a pair at Euro 50 to try out.



Ross
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