Hi all,

So I decided to go ahead with buying 2 of the LS Models SBB Panorama Gotthard coaches, then 3 coaches to with them (LS47372, LS47373 & LS47374).

This will go with the recent Re 460 from Marklon that I have in reservation and should hopefully be available soon.

I checked the minimum radius, I’m told these will work ok with the R1 provided that there is straight between before a curve going the other direction (so, it doesn’t like an S bend if that makes sense, unless it’s R2).

Given the lack of information about these coaches, I’ll change the subject wheelsets when they arrive (I have various sizes on hand).

So the next dilemma…. Lighting! After spending hours looking at photos of the coaches, it seems that the Roco slider might fit the bogie (but I am unsure and probably wrong). I an old product information sheet from LS Models (around 2021) stating that the old version of this coach could accomodate a slider but off course, no part number was provided.

I’m hoping that there are LS Models owners out there who could give me some guidance here. I know that there are restaurant cars with the slider already attached but this won’t work with this set up.

Many thanks as always,

Eddie

Hi John,

I’m still waiting for the panorama coaches, I will probably receive the other ones June. The place where I bought them from is in Germany, I have them set aside until a couple of locomotives I have on pre-order arrives (trying to bundle an order to save on shipping).

I guess I was just trying to get ahead and ask the community here to share experiences.

I will definately share photos and copies of the instructions on here when I receive them. Hopefully it can help other people.

Regards,

Eddie

I think that the Panorama coach requires a different lighting strip than the other coaches.

Here are the photos from one of the recent SBB EC coaches (Bpm):



The older generation of models had the two pins similar to the ones that Roco had on the underside of their bogies.
These new ones have a slightly different appearance. According to the instructions, the coach models are already equipped with contact plates (DC). I don't think that these are wired to the coach interior. A cable probably has to be soldered to the contacts and to the lighting strip. The AC slider would have to be mounted on the underside of the bogie.
What you could do is to enquire with Eyro (CH), Huenerbein (DE) or other dealer to learn what they recommend for slider. I had a Flusterschleifer and axle contact from RailTop that I was considering mounting on an older LSM model.

I found photos of the bogies of the Panorama coach on Stummi Forum. You have to be signed in to view them
https://www.stummiforum....uerich-Debuet-Infos.html
The bogies are similar to the ones in the photos I posted above, except that the model comes with a third brake disc. It should still be possible to mount an AC slider on the bogie.

Regards

Mike C

Hi Mike,

Thank you so much, this is really helpful.

The photos are really helpful, my plan was to attach the slider one of the APM coaches and then use the 2 pole current conducting couplers from Viessmann.

I will take your advice and ask the dealer for advice (also check out the recommendations you shared). I emailed LS Models as well, so perhaps I might get some response from them too (though, I’ve emailed them before and never received a response - let’s hope this time I get one).

Just for interest, here is a brochure I found from 2017 that confirms the ability to attach a slider. While the design of the bogie may have changed since then, I would be surprised that this has changed.

https://www.trainsdepot....sbb_eurocity_coaches_pdf

Looking at your photo, I wonder if that part (highlighted in yellow) is removable. Looks like the Roco design underneath - unless it’s all one piece.



I will share any information I find out as it might help you (and any others with the same issue), in the event you wish to go ahead with installing the lighting.

Kind regards,

Eddie

Hi
When trying with original wheelsets they did not run on R1, they are rated for R2 and above. With the new wheelsets i have being doing the test with 39244, wich can run but does not like R1, you can feel the stress on the drivetrain, so only R2 in my M track layout. Did tried the 72025 couplers but they hit the buffers as well. I have also tested the Piko close couplers and they work fine too, so i will make the gamble with Piko CC close couplers wich have thinner cables than the Viessmann ones, it will be easier to rewire the cars that way
Regards

I equip my LSM and ACME (and other) models with Roco's Universal Coupler as this coupler has a shaft that is about 1mm longer than Maerklin's 7203. I had found that when using Maerklin's close coupler, Roco or Fleischmann's close couplers that there was often an issue with coaches completely coupling to each other. The extra mm of the Roco Universal design solves this issue and the coaches can still be coupled with Maerklin's 7203 or regular hook couplers. The dual position design is also helpful.
I know one modeller whose solution was to equip alternate coaches with close couplers and regular hook ones.
A lot of longer models can handle the R1 radius, but they will hang over the side and may hit trackside objects (signals, masts, etc). They may also have issues with S-curves and require R2 or greater for such operation.
Hag used to have regular hook couplers with varying shaft lengths, which helped with a few models during the early days of NEM sockets.

Regards

Mike C

Hi all,

The supplier I bought the LSM Apm and Bpm coaches from made enquiries on my behalf and advised that there is no slider available for these models.

Since the panorama coaches have a similar bogey, I believe they won’t have a compatible slider either.

Thanks to all the information provided by you guys, I decided to source a Roco coach to this consist and use it as the power pick up.

According to the supplier, they have a hard time getting any information from LSM and usually need to contact multiple times to get a response. The supplier mentioned LSM will be sending compatible AC wheels but stated they are not overly optimistic.

I also contacted LSM many weeks ago and never heard anything back.

I have to admit, it’s a shame to see a manufacturer that makes great products be so lousy with providing the most basic information about their products and having some sort of customer service. Being a premium product at higher price bracket, you would think that the pre/after sales service would be really good.

I should mention the LSM are not the only manufacturer I have this kind of experience with.

I hope that they change the way they operate, it’s one way to encourage people to are looking to take on this hobby and the dealers out there.

That’s my rant for the day anyway!

PS - once I receive my LSM products, I will scan the manual and post it on here.

Regards,

Eddie

Hello
In had a hard time sourcing AC wheels for my CIWL coaches, not a word on LS models site and could not find a set with the proper lenght anywhere. That was until i received some AC wheels for some Dekas coaches that i bought,and they were almost the exact length and fits well on the LS coaches wich are now running fine. Part number is DK-879900
Regards

You will have to remove the bogies from the chassis (with care) and then either insert the wheelsets from the top side or remove parts (brake discs, etc) in order to access the wheelsets from the bottom. I have not worked on mine, so I am not 100% certain. I will do some research.

Regards

Mike C