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Sarah		#1 Posted : 10 March 2024 13:49:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/03/2024(UTC) Posts: 2 Location: England, London		Hello! I recently inherited a Marklin CCS 800 from my father, who had been gifted it from his father as a young boy (but forbidden from even touching it!) I'm hoping to learn a little bit more about the model I have in my possession, particularly its year of make. My father was born in 1954, and I wonder if this was something that was "gifted" in celebration of his birth. Or if this model was produced earlier / later - I'm just curious to understand the timelines and what I've been passed on by my father really! Any help is greatly appreciated.

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JohnjeanB		#2 Posted : 10 March 2024 14:26:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,130 Location: Paris, France		Hi Sarah A warm welcome to this great forum. Here a Märklin HO fan from France near Paris (Ile de France) Here is what we have - box is "Rautenkarton" (grey cardboard with dark red lozanges and Märklin "bicycle" from approx 1951 until 1960 but this may not be the original box - loco is marked CCS800 from 1947 until 1959 (when it was marked 3015 instead). Very solid indication (of course the body could have been changed) - the pantographs are type 6 (all nickeled 1953-1975) contrary to type 5, larger ones with copper pick-up shoe (1950-1954) and "Wattchen" (Trolley type) between 1947 and 1950. Could have been changed - large sanding boxes (from 1950 onwards) - round protection on headlights (Rounde Lampenbügeln) 1951 and later) Not easy to change but possible - ski sliders with large holes (could have been changed) indicating 1952 until 1959 before there were Mushroom pickup, spoon pickups and articulated pick-ups - The loco seems to have traction tires (picture unclear): none until 1951, transparent ones 1952 until 1961, black rubber after 1965. Of course transparent may have been replaced with rubber ones - I can't see the headlights (internal mounting 1947 to 1951 of lamps or external after 1951), most probably external - colour is "dunkelgrün" so outside the 1948 to 1955 period when it was "Olivegrün" So my best guess would be around 1955 but, of course I can be wrong. Cheers Jean
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marklinist5999		#3 Posted : 11 March 2024 12:08:01(UTC) Retweet
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JohnjeanB		#4 Posted : 11 March 2024 13:07:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,130 Location: Paris, France		No Märklin did not add serial numbers until late 80s or 90s but they were stickers Cheers Jean
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mbarreto		#5 Posted : 11 March 2024 18:37:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Hi Sarah A warm welcome to this great forum. Here a Märklin HO fan from France near Paris (Ile de France) Here is what we have - box is "Rautenkarton" (grey cardboard with dark red lozanges and Märklin "bicycle" from approx 1951 until 1960 but this may not be the original box - loco is marked CCS800 from 1947 until 1959 (when it was marked 3015 instead). Very solid indication (of course the body could have been changed) - the pantographs are type 6 (all nickeled 1953-1975) contrary to type 5, larger ones with copper pick-up shoe (1950-1954) and "Wattchen" (Trolley type) between 1947 and 1950. Could have been changed - large sanding boxes (from 1950 onwards) - round protection on headlights (Rounde Lampenbügeln) 1951 and later) Not easy to change but possible - ski sliders with large holes (could have been changed) indicating 1952 until 1959 before there were Mushroom pickup, spoon pickups and articulated pick-ups - The loco seems to have traction tires (picture unclear): none until 1951, transparent ones 1952 until 1961, black rubber after 1965. Of course transparent may have been replaced with rubber ones - I can't see the headlights (internal mounting 1947 to 1951 of lamps or external after 1951), most probably external - colour is "dunkelgrün" so outside the 1948 to 1955 period when it was "Olivegrün" So my best guess would be around 1955 but, of course I can be wrong. Cheers Jean It seems the CCS800 inscription is in the color of the body, and if that is the case, than it is at least a CCS800.8 from 1956. If it also has traction tires, then, from what I understand is a CCS800.9 which can be from 1957 to 1959. I don't understand well from the photos what he color of the CCS800 inscription is and if it has tires. I think tires started in 1957 for the CCS800, but not sure. Miguel
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analogmike		#6 Posted : 13 March 2024 01:00:40(UTC) Retweet
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Sarah		#7 Posted : 17 March 2024 08:44:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/03/2024(UTC) Posts: 2 Location: England, London		Oh wow, thank you everyone for your thorough replies - I didn't expect anyone to write back, and I am so appreciative of the detailed descriptions. It's incredible that so much information can be discovered through the smallest details! I don't know much about the world of model trains, and this has given me wonderful insight into a passion of my grandfathers. Thank you all so very much! Sarah

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