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Offline stevenh905  
#1 Posted : 06 March 2024 22:51:19(UTC)
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Hello everyone!
I am currently going through my grandfather's collection and have come across this locomotive that I can't find much information about. I am trying to confirm the item number for this locomotive for my inventory list and for when it comes time to sell it. From the note he left, it seems like this locomotive came from a starter set # 5519. I can't find any info about set 5519 online. I can find some pictures of the locomotive # 5719, which appears to be almost identical, except this locomotive has Union Pacific badging. My grandfather did occasionally write down the incorrect model number so I thought I would double check with the experts here. I have added pictures of the locomotive and the note from when he purchased the engine.

I'm not an expert about trains, but I'm learning more and more about them while I go through my grandfathers collection. This locomotive appears to be a German diesel switcher, but has Union Pacific markings. From my googling, I couldn't find any information about Union Pacific using German engines. Is it common for Marklin to create these kind of fantasy trains?

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#2 Posted : 06 March 2024 23:43:13(UTC)
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Well, the Union Pacific decals have been added at a later date and "5719" is the model number. However, the original printing had just the number "25" under the windows to indicate a "Werklok", an industrial switcher, not necessarily affiliated with any road (and, sorry, not likely part of the UPac stable, although...who knows?) I suppose it could have been some special set created by a dealer. Just my thoughts. And, in addition, without doors and railings...that does lower the value...Blushing
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Offline stevenh905  
#3 Posted : 07 March 2024 00:50:14(UTC)
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Thanks Jimmy for the quick reply! I did just think of another question that you might know the answer to. While doing my research I see some (usually older) items labeled as Spur 1 and some (usually newer) items seem to be labeled as 1 gauge. Is there a difference? Was it just a Marklin marketing term change?
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#4 Posted : 07 March 2024 00:58:09(UTC)
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Steven,

You are quite welcome!

Well "Spur 1" is the German, and "1 Gauge" is the English translation. Cool It is possible that some items marked Spur 1 migrated to the US in some fashion. And just to confuse things, it is sometimes refers to as "Märklin I" (as capital "I"/Roman Numeral I)Blink

Whisper Mode On it is also possible that Märklin has broadened the "1 Gauge" designation to other markets Whisper Mode Off
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Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#5 Posted : 07 March 2024 02:02:16(UTC)
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Except for the Union Pacific decals, the locomotive appears to be identical with the locomotive from the starter set 5521. The set was presented in the 1970 catalogue, although no picture of the loco was shown. Indeed it was a greatly simplified version of the 5719/5720 locomotive without lights, doors or railings.
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Offline stevenh905  
#6 Posted : 07 March 2024 17:47:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä Go to Quoted Post
Except for the Union Pacific decals, the locomotive appears to be identical with the locomotive from the starter set 5521. The set was presented in the 1970 catalogue, although no picture of the loco was shown. Indeed it was a greatly simplified version of the 5719/5720 locomotive without lights, doors or railings.


So do you think this version of the locomotive came from the dealer without the lights, doors, and railings? Or is it missing those pieces?
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Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#7 Posted : 07 March 2024 22:20:55(UTC)
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Back then, the 5521 was the least expensive entry level set to the newly re-established Spur 1 product line, so the locomotive was built like this by Märklin: no lights, railings or doors. I own a copy of the set. Perhaps the dealer added the Union Pacific decals to make the bare bone locomotive more attractive.

Here's a picture of my 5521 set and the locomotive.

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#8 Posted : 07 March 2024 23:01:47(UTC)
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Well, this is where I am off...it would appear to me that there were 2 versions of the set...1 with doors and 1 without...or are there 2 different sets?...puzzled I am

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it could also be that 1 lok has been substituted for another...although the catalogues on

https://katalog.dermodellbahnblo...in-katalog/MA1970_EN.pdf

show the lok with doors in the set...just the pictures for the catalogue possibly?? I certainly do not doubt Martii, I am hopelessly undone Confused Confused Just trying to fill in the blanks...
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Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#9 Posted : 08 March 2024 02:48:48(UTC)
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Hi Jimmy, the picture you posted shows the 5520 set. The illustration in the 1970 catalog shows a picture of this set. The catalog text for 5520 states that the set includes a 5720 locomotive.

The 1970 catalog text for the 5521 set states that it includes a "diesel locomotive" without giving a model number, and indeed it had a simplified version of the 5720 locomotive. The catalog does not include pictures of this set.

The 5521 set is not that easy to find, surely it is rarer than the 5520 set.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#10 Posted : 08 March 2024 11:48:55(UTC)
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Offline New to 1:32  
#11 Posted : 02 January 2025 00:03:42(UTC)
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*EDIT* Sorry folks, I am editing my first post; I found my answer in the link to the Marklin catalog listed in one of the earlier replies. The catalog states that the locomotive should work with the AC transformer. I'm going to try a little lite cleaning and lubrication on the moving gears of the locomotive, see if that helps.

Hi folks,

I'm new here and my Google search on this same locomotive has brought me here. Being completely new to model railroading and Marklin Spur 1, I recently acquired the virtually identical locomotive. Is there a way to determine if it is DC electric? I tried running it on my Marklin AC track but it struggles to move. I didn't extend my efforts because I don't want to damage the locomotive.
Apologies for hijacking this thread with my questions.

Thanks,

Scott
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Offline 215.005  
#12 Posted : 26 March 2025 22:49:30(UTC)
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Hi Scott! Welcome aboard!
Marklin 1 models, as you already found, officially are AC only. Check if a previous owner replaced the motor with a DC one: the original has a wound stator, like this (if only i could figure out how to post images…)

If the motor is AC, check if brushes make good contact against the collector disc; try pushing gently with a small screwdriver. You may need replacing the brushes; current original spare part number from Marklin is E600300
Offline GlennM  
#13 Posted : 27 March 2025 10:52:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: New to 1:32 Go to Quoted Post
*EDIT* Sorry folks, I am editing my first post; I found my answer in the link to the Marklin catalog listed in one of the earlier replies. The catalog states that the locomotive should work with the AC transformer. I'm going to try a little lite cleaning and lubrication on the moving gears of the locomotive, see if that helps.

Hi folks,

I'm new here and my Google search on this same locomotive has brought me here. Being completely new to model railroading and Marklin Spur 1, I recently acquired the virtually identical locomotive. Is there a way to determine if it is DC electric? I tried running it on my Marklin AC track but it struggles to move. I didn't extend my efforts because I don't want to damage the locomotive.
Apologies for hijacking this thread with my questions.

Thanks,

Scott


Scott,

The smaller HO models of a similar age suffer from seizing caused by the older oils that were used combined with long periods of storage and not being run. The effect of this is that the lights come on and the locos look like they are trying to move but often cannot or only very painfully.

I am not sure if Gauge 1 models are susceptible to the same issues, but if they are this can be resolved with careful cleaning (there are several articles on the Forum that will help you) especially around the gears, and reoiling with modern approved oil.

Good luck



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