Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,563 Location: Paris, France
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Hi Here is a little video on the (very little) marshalling yard on my layout. It is controlled by Rocrail and more specifically by the command recorder and is 100% automatic. The main sensor (the one that activates the decoupler) is one of the decoupler rails (in fact only the half of it past the decoupler center). It works not too bad but I need to replace it with on opto sensor. This is a work in progress If some of you are interested I can provide a more detailed description Cheers Jean |
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That is so cool. Really neat stuff.
Chris
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Very impressive,really enjoyed watching the video Thanks
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB  If some of you are interested I can provide a more detailed description
Jean
Yes, please do. The detached cars shoot off as if propelled by some impulse. Is the motion of the loco and its sudden stop combined with the precise moment of car uncoupling enough to produce this effect? Jabez |
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Hi Jabez Slope Because of limited space, the humping slope is reduced to a downhill gradient of 1% which from the decoupler and the first switch goes down to 3% and then the slope is reduced to 2% on the receiving tracks. Automatic OperationThe automatic operation with Rocrail makes use of the command recorder (initiates orders from a text file). It includes: - a starting phase (the humping signal is set to "manoeuver relatively slow", the receiving blocks are disabled (such as not to have a "ghost train"), - a cycle for each car of: (a) setting the switch(s), (b) starting the loco, (c) set a pause of 5 seconds before next car cycle is processed. - an ending phase which includes (a) setting the humping signal to "manoeuver fast", (b) reverse the humping engine back to the previous block, (c) stop the engine, (d) send a short horn signal, (e) set the humping signal to "stop manoeuvering", (f) re-enabeling the receiving tracks' block. In parallel to this a Rocrail action, activated by the decoupler detection track (a) stops the humping engine, (b) triggers the decoupler both being adjusted in delay so that the train stops when the next coupling hook is above the decoupler and so that the decoupler is activated at the right time. If the decoupler is activated just a little past the coupling hook, it no only raises the hook but also gives the car an small horizontal impulse. The decoupler (C-Track) is modified so that its tracks are insulated from each other and one of the rails is cut in its middle (using a dremel-like tool) and only the second half of one reail (past the decoupler center is used for detection Voilà. I hope it is not too confusing Cheers Jean Edited by user 08 December 2018 13:03:52(UTC)
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Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,563 Location: Paris, France
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Hi Here are some new developpments on the marshalling yard on my layout First a video of the new behaviour The changes: Coupler detection by an optical (IR) gateWhy: the only way I found to detect the couplers in all sorts of wagon's shape is to have an Infra-Red beam shooting is an oblique way between the coupler and the buffer. The beam cannot be horizontal to work with all types of wagons.. How: a standard S88 input is high impedance, 5 V and a standard photo transistor (looking like a standard diode) can be simply connected to it and drive it. A 1 microfarad capacitor between the S88 input and the layout-ground suppress possible electrical noise caused by the decoupler. A standard IR diode is sending an IR beam. Very simple really The IR Gate  The other thing is the XML- written program to drive the loco, the switches, signals and the decoupler I can provide more details to those of you if needed. Please provide opinions or ideas. Thanks Cheers Jean |
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This is so very cool!
Well done and I'll read the rest of this thread now. Just felt the need to instantly shout "Fantastic!"
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Super cool. In the 1960s I worked as a switchman in the Union Pacific yards near downtown Los Angeles. Part of my job was to ride the cars down the track and set the brake softening them so they didn't hit the cars already in line too hard. I was supposed to check the brakes on the cars already in the line. Once I skipped that step and when the moving car came in contact with the line of cars they went hurling down the track and smashed into the side of a standing car. It caused quite a bit of damage. I was lucky they didn't fire me.
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Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,563 Location: Paris, France
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Hi Thanks all for your comments. Elsleuths: yes the key question is landing speed. I understand in the real railroad, they have speed radars computers and slowing down brakes. In some countries in the past they used "drag shoes" (sabot de freinage in France) sort of wedge installed by teams "on the fly" very dangerous indeed! Now the question is how to make this in miniature as I have no tools nor talent for creating precise mechanic devices? Any ideas on the electro-mechanical part?? Cheers Jean |
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB  Hi Thanks all for your comments. Elsleuths: yes the key question is landing speed. I understand in the real railroad, they have speed radars computers and slowing down brakes. In some countries in the past they used "drag shoes" (sabot de freinage in France) sort of wedge installed by teams "on the fly" very dangerous indeed! Now the question is how to make this in miniature as I have no tools nor talent for creating precise mechanic devices? Any ideas on the electro-mechanical part?? Cheers Jean I have had some thoughts about something similar in the past. One thought had been to use some lengths of foam plastic fixed to rub on the back of the wheels, but this would be a permanent thing. Another option would be to use an R/C servo (like people use for point motors) to do the clamping action shown in that video. The biggest problem is that the model wagons are so light that almost anything will stop them dead.
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Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,563 Location: Paris, France
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Hi Here is a video of of a real marshalling yard east of France (Woippy in Mosel region). Of course more and more shipment are with complete trains (no sorting out necessary). Here you may see a double mashalling hump to speed up the train preparation and track brakes in action. Of course my reproduction is very simplified but I would fill my train room with just 20% of that Cheers Jean |
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Here is a proto video with the main action starting around 7:40 with some "Old School" action by the yard workers - "manual"  uncoupling indeed, and some tricky braking of the cars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZd3au8QL_c |
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