In 2021, I received the PiRATA (LS Models) Sets for the SBB IC 6/7 Hamburg-Chur-Hamburg.
I liked the variety of coaches in the consist, but especially the unique Bpm in the post-Cisalpino silver livery with the white SBB CFF FFS inscriptions.
I purchased the first two of the three sets to make up a 6 coach consist. As LSM does not make a model of the Restaurant coach, I used a Roco model.
Recently, Roco released it's long awaited (2022) models of the same consist. The Roco offering, like PiRATA's is a three set 8 coach consist. The Roco models include the restaurant coach, but do not include the Bpm with the white lettering. Roco's sets include an Apm in the Cisalpino livery (no logo). This coach has the livery as applied to a few of the coaches which were operated with the Italian FS Cisalpino (Canaletto and Cinque Terre) consists, which did not have sealed toilets and was not AFAIR NBS/LBT authorized.
The second Roco set (74022) also includes a Bpm in the Cisalpino livery (no logo), which I may use to supplement the consist that I created with the Cisalpino coaches (Roco basis) that were released by Eyro in 2010-11.
For those who prefer the 1/100 Maerklin models, I recreated the IC 6/7 by taking some coaches from the 4367 set, a few from the 43670/71 sets and a Cisalpino Apm from the 26544 set.

I will post some photos when I can.

This is the LSM/PiRATA coach with the white lettering:



Regards

Mike C

Edited by user 21 September 2023 05:32:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Different manufacturers sometimes use different norms in the production of models. Over time, efforts have been made to develop norms that all manufacturers should follow. These are known as NEM or MOROP norms. For example, some manufacturers made models which were shorter than 1/87. This required that they adjust their models to what became known as scale length. This means that the model (height and width) remained 1/87, but the overall length was rendered at 1/93.5, 1/100 or other scale. A reduced scale length requires that the dimensions of the coach body length be adapted, meaning that the coach is modified in terms of window width or the number of windows. A proper rendering would see that the window height would still be rendered in 1/87, as the height remains unchanged. It occurs that the overall window measurements are rendered in reduced scale, leaving the appearance that the windows are not as tall as the prototype. Maerklin instances that come to mind are the 43874 SBB WRm or the 42972 DB ARDm coach. I have also noted that some Maerklin models have their width rendered in 1/93.5 so that they are narrower than some other similar models (Fleischmann/selected Roco). I do not recall any height differences by scale.
I do know that there are slight discrepancies in height between certain models, (e.g. LSM Eurofima VSE) compared to other similar coaches by that brand. This can often be fixed by adding spacers to the bogies to increase the height.

I don't mind mixing brands, but when you mix different brand's models of the same coach type, the discrepancies stand out. For this reason, I do not run my Roco and LSM SBB EC coaches together.

Roco has brought out the SBB EC coaches (1/87) in the newest livery, Maerklin announced the EWIV (1/100) in the same livery. Nobody yet has the complete selection needed to complete a consist. It is not too bad at the moment as those coaches can still be found with earlier versions of the same coaches in consists.

Regards

Mike C

Here are more photos from the web and mine:

LSM (L) and Roco (R) Bpm in ex-Cisalpino livery. You can clearly see the Gray Band on the Roco model.
You can also see that the LSM model includes a representation of the sealed waste tank located at the coach end(s).

LSM (L) and Roco (R) Apm in ex-Cisalpino livery. You can see the Gray Band on the Roco model.
You can see the differences in the details of the bogies as well as the slight difference in height of the models
I substituted a 64680 for the Roco Apm that was returned to the dealer for repair. A similar coach is part of the 74023 Set, which I skipped, as I already have a number of coaches in the original (44771) and (64680) liveries. Both the Apm and Bpm in this livery from LSM have no added paint details on the door handles, which looks a little basic.

Roco (L) and LSM (R) Bpm in so-called ICN livery. You can see the additional vent on the LSM model, added for operation with diesel locomotives on the route to Munich

LSM (L) and Roco (R) Bpm in the ICN livery. You can see the bike logo on the LSM model as well as details of the bogies. Note the height difference (again)


http://www.reisezugwagen.../PI_9705-1_Bp_Seite2.jpg
Missing gray band at bottom edge of body
Roco version: https://www.mgtreni.it/W...0A/B016/5B3F/RC64681.jpg

https://eyro.ch/onlineshop/images/pirata9705.jpg
https://eyro.ch/onlineshop/images/pirata9706.jpg

http://www.reisezugwagen.../PI_9706-1_Bp_Seite1.jpg
Destination sign holder covered up

http://www.reisezugwagen.../PI_9705-2_Bp_Seite1.jpg
Destination sign covered up with added vent on coach side

http://www.reisezugwagen.../PI_9706-3_Ap_Seite2.jpg
Missing gray band at lower edge of body

I can't say which one I prefer. Each model has its strong points and it's weaknesses. I think that the Roco model might be a little more rugged and may fare better in operation.
The LSM model has some issues with coupler height (hangs low) that may interfere with operation in certain conditions.

Regards

Mike C

Edited by user 09 May 2024 07:02:04(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Yesterday, I received the 74023 Set, completing my Roco (74021/74022) EC Rätia consist. I was not planning on running the consist with all three Apm coaches, but I wanted the Bpm in the original colours. At the same time, I have been trying to put together a consist for the EC Vauban (2007-2008) when it went from Interlaken to Basel and Brussels. The consist at that time was made up of 3 Bpm and 2 Apm alongside a pair of EWIV B (Interlaken to Basel). All coaches had permission for the High Speed Route (NBS=Neubaustrecke) between Rothrist and Mattstetten on the route between Bern and Olsen.
So far, I have two Bpm and a single Apm from Roco, but I don't think they made any additional coaches with the appropriate markings. The only coach that I could find from LSM with NBS permission was a single Apm (47357).
The coaches in Cisalpino livery and post-Cisalpino variants are NBS authorized, but were not used on the Brussels run prior to 2009/2010. I am trying to find out when the first EC coaches were repainted in the ICN livery. I'm almost certain that the revisions where the interiors and exteriors were modified began in 2008. At some point later, the LED panels were added to the coach bodies. So, I can't really use the ICN livery coaches for 2007-2008.

Prior to 2007, the Vauban ran from Basel to Brig via Olten and Bern. Post 2008, it was shifted to Zurich and no longer ran on the NBS, so the NBS authorized coaches were no longer required.

Regards

Mike C