 Joined: 20/05/2023(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Wales, powys
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trying to buy German steam locos off e-bay can somebody help with sorting out digital loco's from the product number from my own observations
3000 numbers tend to be analogy
3700 numbers are old digital
30000 numbers are MFX
is this right and what of delta numbers?
any help would be grate i understand all can be converted i would like to know what im buying hess
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 Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,559 Location: Paris, France
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Hi
In theory there are model numbers
- 3000 analogue locos with mecanical direction relay
- 3300 analogue locos with electronic/mecanical relay
- 3500 analogue locos with 5 star motor
- 3600 first digital locos with C80 initially
- 3700(0) elaborate digital locos with C90 decoder (inertia and speed adjustments, 1 or 5 fonctions)
- 3900(0) elaborate sound digital locos with mSD2
The problem is Märklin releasing so many locos went rapidly out of numbers so later, adherance to the above rule was not guaranteed
One good way is to get a hold of a Kolls Preis Katalog.
I have one from 1993 and although very instructive it is a bit too old.
2018 down to 2015 could be the best option and many are available second hand. Later edition don't have pictures.
Caution: for a given year, you have "Bands" (don't pick the wrong one):
- locos
- cars and wagons
- special editions
It gives all the variants of a particular model and the market prices
For models past 1999, you may have full details & exploded diagrams on maerklin.de
Cheers
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Joined: 20/05/2023(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Wales, powys
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thank johnjeanB just what I'm looking for lot of 3000 analogue passing for digital loco's after retro fitting do you know if delta run on mobile station 2 ?
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Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,559 Location: Paris, France
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Yes Delta is a full digital protocol using Motorola (MM2) and the MS2 can drive such a loco
Delta restrictions
- limited number of possinle addresses 24, 60, 72, 78, 80
- light brighness linked to speed on some models
Cheers
Jean
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB  Delta restrictions
- limited number of possinle addresses 24, 60, 72, 78, 80
- light brighness linked to speed on some models With Delta decoders you are still driving the original 3 pole AC motors so you still have the restrictions such as slow going uphill and fast coming down that you get with analog locos, i.e. no load control. The delta decoders generally do not have any functions on them.
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With the delta decoder (4 dip switches or solder bridges) you can select 15 different addresses, (see: https://wiki.3rail.nl/in...rklin_6603_Delta_Decoder for the addresses) that can be used with the mobile station 2 The delta controller however let you use only the ones Jean mentioned. 90% of my loks are retrofitted analog or delta's with 5* motors and Mld / Msd or ESU decoders..... Regards Jean-Pierre
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB
Delta restrictions
- limited number of possinle addresses 24, 60, 72, 78, 80
Well, actually there are 15 addresses available (all switches off is analogue mode). The first four addresses given above correspond to the four positions of the Delta controller selector switch, and also to the four positions of the selector switch on the IR controllers included in start sets. Address 80 (all switches on) was only available on Delta controllers with an additional handset.
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Joined: 20/05/2023(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Wales, powys
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can you use delta controller at the same time with MS2?
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Originally Posted by: heinrichhess can you use delta controller at the same time with MS2? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT. Only one current source in each circuit and possibly slider jumpers between sources Jean |
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Hi
In theory there are model numbers
- 3000 analogue locos with mecanical direction relay
- 3300 analogue locos with electronic/mecanical relay
- 3500 analogue locos with 5 star motor
- 3600 first digital locos with C80 initially
- 3700(0) elaborate digital locos with C90 decoder (inertia and speed adjustments, 1 or 5 fonctions)
- 3900(0) elaborate sound digital locos with mSD2 It is more complicated. Some 33xx locos are Delta. Some 34xx locos are analogue, but most are Delta. 39xx locos are analogue loco kits for self-assembly. Some 39xxx locos do not have sound. Some 30xxx locos are analogue, some are Delta. Some 37xxx locos have mfx. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Originally Posted by: heinrichhess can you use delta controller at the same time with MS2? Don't mix digital controllers. However, you can use the old Delta controller in booster (slave) mode, lowering the power draw on the master unit driving the layout. -terminology is not a social endorsement- Then it only provides supplementary power, digitally managed by master controller, but does not create an interfering digital signal. Use booster to power switches and signals (and their decoders) and track-powered lights. It makes a noticeable difference. Ben |
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Joined: 20/05/2023(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Wales, powys
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thanks ho sound like a mine field on secondhand market best to find the number then check on marklin.de for info i have been put of buying delta for my digital layout is this right or just a misconception of mine?
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Originally Posted by: heinrichhess i have been put of buying delta for my digital layout is this right or just a misconception of mine? Latest Delta locos are better than early "full digital" 36xx locos. Delta locos never have load regulation AFAIK, so I usually avoid them or buy them with the costs of an upgrade in mind. But they can be run on a digital layout, but do not come up to modern locos with load regulation. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Joined: 20/05/2023(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Wales, powys
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i have a br 81 001 full metal with fly wheel can not find product number runs well has a problem changing directions what type of digital is running it and is erratic directional change common with this type i find when the lights are on it changes direction much better also i must add I'm buying old M track of e-bay of different quality so not the cleanest  hess
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Originally Posted by: heinrichhess i have a br 81 001 full metal with fly wheel can not find product number runs well has a problem changing directions what type of digital is running it and is erratic directional change common with this type i find when the lights are on it changes direction much better also i must add I'm buying old M track of e-bay of different quality so not the cleanest hess your decoder is probably a 60760, early versions were known to have decoder Altzheimer etc..... https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t25439-36320-Decoder-questionsometimes you can get more information when you try to google the number on the decoder. eg 105827 Eg. my "delta" Br 81 30322 is factory fitted with a special 60902 decoder(602759) and a " 60941" motor. Googling 602759 brings up eg the moba-hgh.de site with more information. (same site has more information about the 60760 decoder)
wiki.3rail.nl is also a good source for different Märklin models and variations.
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