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IBtrain		#1 Posted : 28 February 2023 02:48:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Hi I’m looking for some help. I have a Marklin 34060 EP3/6 that came without a pickup slider. From the manual and the exploded view the replacement part number is 7185. I ordered the part, but when I went to put it on it does not fit, and the slider does not make electrical contact that I can see to provide power to the Lok. It seems like there is a piece missing on the bottom of my EP3/6 this part outlined in red, but nothing is listed on the exploded view. Would someone be able to take a picture of the bottom of their M 34060 without the slider so that I can see where the problem lies. Are there any suggestions for repair? Thanks, Kai Edited by user 05 March 2023 01:19:16(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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French_Fabrice		#2 Posted : 28 February 2023 08:29:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,482 Location: Lyon, France		Hello Kai, If you look at exploded diagram downloadable from Marklin Website, the part is E300101. See https://www.maerklin.de/...lnummer=34060&lang=1 Cheers Fabrice
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JohnjeanB		#3 Posted : 28 February 2023 12:19:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Paris, France		Hi Kai Here is how my 37060 looks under its frame with the slider removed I hope this helps Jean
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IBtrain		#4 Posted : 28 February 2023 21:38:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Hello Kai, If you look at exploded diagram downloadable from Marklin Website, the part is E300101. See https://www.maerklin.de/...lnummer=34060&lang=1 Cheers Fabrice Hi Fabrice Thanks for the link. It seems like the same exploded view that I have which came with the Lok. I'll check the part number and see if it's the same as the on-line link. But one would expect it to be the same as in the manual (that I posted) Cheers, Kai
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IBtrain		#5 Posted : 28 February 2023 21:42:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Hi Kai Here is how my 37060 looks under its frame with the slider removed I hope this helps Jean Hi Jean The bottom of your Lok looks the same as my photo, so there's nothing missing, just that the drawing in the manual is not exact. But it looks like your pick up slider is a bit different. I think that the part number for the slider that they have listed is incorrect. Thanks, Kai
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kiwiAlan		#6 Posted : 28 February 2023 22:20:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: IBtrain I think that the part number for the slider that they have listed is incorrect. That won't be the first time. Another instance of this that I know about is the pickup shoe for the Micheline railbuses is listed with incorrect part number, at least in the early paper manuals.
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JohnjeanB		#7 Posted : 28 February 2023 22:40:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Paris, France		Hi Kai Like already said "it wouldn't be the first time there is an error BUT: - The socket width of most Märklin older sliders is standard - what is key for you is (1) the distance between the screw and one of the folded metal (to make contact with the contact shoe on the loco's base) and (2) the location of recesses to host the 2 slider "buckles" so that the slider in upper position is at least 1 mm above the rail surface and so that never there is a contact between the slider and the metal frame of the loco. IMO the slider 7185, looks like the good one but the unit you received is outside tolerances and a little filing of the brown insulator rectangle (similar to the old pertinax) to reduce its width is all that is needed for you to mount the slider Cheers Jean.
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IBtrain		#8 Posted : 28 February 2023 23:21:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Hi Kai Like already said "it wouldn't be the first time there is an error BUT: - The socket width of most Märklin older sliders is standard - what is key for you is (1) the distance between the screw and one of the folded metal (to make contact with the contact shoe on the loco's base) and (2) the location of recesses to host the 2 slider "buckles" so that the slider in upper position is at least 1 mm above the rail surface and so that never there is a contact between the slider and the metal frame of the loco. IMO the slider 7185, looks like the good one but the unit you received is outside tolerances and a little filing of the brown insulator rectangle (similar to the old pertinax) to reduce its width is all that is needed for you to mount the slider Cheers Jean. Hi Jean I'll take a look and see if the slider will fit those measurements, I also have some other ones that I can take a look at, and then see how to make some adjustments. Thanks Kai
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IBtrain		#9 Posted : 28 February 2023 23:24:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: IBtrain I think that the part number for the slider that they have listed is incorrect. That won't be the first time. Another instance of this that I know about is the pickup shoe for the Micheline railbuses is listed with incorrect part number, at least in the early paper manuals. I guess it's bound to happen. Does Marklin ever try to correct the error? Cheers, Kai
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BenP		#10 Posted : 01 March 2023 00:08:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 387 Location: USA		Originally Posted by: IBtrain Hi I’m looking for some help. I have a Marklin 34060 EP3/6 that came without a pickup slider. From the manual and the exploded view the replacement part number is 7185. I ordered the part, but when I went to put it on it does not fit, and the slider does not make electrical contact that I can see to provide power to the Lok. It seems like there is a piece missing on the bottom of my EP3/6 this part outlined in red, but nothing is listed on the exploded view. Would someone be able to take a picture of the bottom of their M 34060 without the slider so that I can see where the problem lies. Are there any suggestions for repair? Thanks, Kai I believe you may need 300101 slider/shoe
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PacoM		#11 Posted : 01 March 2023 14:48:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/08/2020(UTC) Posts: 63		I cannot see clearly that screwing the slider directly to the bottom prevents a short circuit. A possible solution could be: 1.- Checking first that the lights and/or motor work, with a direct connection of the wires from the tansformer, one to the wheel or chassis of the model and another to the central point shown in the attachment. 2.- Soldering a short wire between that central point and one of the plates of the slider shown in the attachment. 3.- Inserting a properly cut sheet of plastic or thick paper under the slider for electric isolation and screwing it then. Regards Edited by user 01 March 2023 19:12:14(UTC)  | Reason: spelling mistakes
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rhfil		#12 Posted : 01 March 2023 16:10:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		Should be easy to find the contact point with an ohm meter or multi-meter. Or just a continuity tester.
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IBtrain		#13 Posted : 01 March 2023 20:05:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: BenP Originally Posted by: IBtrain Hi I’m looking for some help. Are there any suggestions for repair? Thanks, Kai I believe you may need 300101 slider/shoe Hi BenP Yes I believe you are correct. Seems like only 2 Loks use this slider. Kai
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IBtrain		#14 Posted : 01 March 2023 20:10:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: PacoM I cannot see clearly that screwing the slider directly to the bottom prevents a short circuit. A possible solution could be: 1.- Checking first that the lights and/or motor work, with a direct connection of the wires from the tansformer, one to the wheel or chassis of the model and another to the central point shown in the attachment. 2.- Soldering a short wire between that central point and one of the plates of the slider shown in the attachment. 3.- Inserting a properly cut sheet of plastic or thick paper under the slider for electric isolation and screwing it then. Regards Hello PacoM Thanks for this info. But it seems that this is the wrong slider that is listed by Marklin in the manual, and from a quick look it doesn't seem like the contact points line up when slider is screwed on. Yes I could probably rig something up, but I shall first try to get the correct part. Cheers, Kai
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IBtrain		#15 Posted : 01 March 2023 20:12:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: rhfil Should be easy to find the contact point with an ohm meter or multi-meter. Or just a continuity tester. True.
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rhfil		#16 Posted : 02 March 2023 15:07:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		https://www.marklinfan.c...plosipdf/34060_explo.pdf Shows the part number as 300101 which is available on ebay or AJC
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JohnjeanB		#17 Posted : 02 March 2023 15:59:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Paris, France		Hi Because I see the discussion continuing here is more info: Appologies, indeed the slider and the flat spring are 100% standard BUT the bakelite part is fancy as you may see below On top, an old-style 7165 (the the "ears" for locating holes on the bottom, the original slider delivered by Märklin with the 37060 / 34060 loco Of course one solution is to order the part you have located (from Göppingen? Can your retailer have it by special order? Here In Another solution "Bricolage" (as we say here in France) is to take a normal slider 7185 and remove the bakelite part to machine or file it to a total width of 5.5 mm. Then you mount back the bakelite and then install the slider in the proper orientation (no fool-proof tab anymore) Here is for reference another clearer picture of the bottom of my loco (same as yours) I hope you are good to go now Cheers Jean
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rhfil		#18 Posted : 02 March 2023 21:59:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		Will the single contact plate that is any where near the proper location actually make contact with the loco contact plate? They both appear to be too far.
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JohnjeanB		#19 Posted : 02 March 2023 22:48:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Paris, France		Hi Because I am not near my layout, the only slider I could find for the picture was a 7165 (with a longer spacing between the screw and the nearest spring clip of the slider. This is not so with a 7185 (your picture). If you have an assortment of sliders like most Märklinists have, I am sure you can find the proper slider with a little extra work to reduce the bakelite isulator width to 5.5 mm. The alternative is to order the proper slider referenced E300101 by Märklin costing €25.50 for 2 sliders plus shipement and possible tax. The part is available. Cheers Jean
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ocram63_uk		#20 Posted : 02 March 2023 23:06:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 708 Location: England, Suffolk		one thing is not clear to me, looking at IBtrain's photo, where is the hole for the slider's screw?
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rhfil		#21 Posted : 03 March 2023 00:49:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		On IBtrain's photo, not counting the wheels of the bogie, from the left side it is just above the right side of the second wheel. It has slightly dark coloration around it. On John-Jean's photo, which reversed the loco, it is slightly to the right of the contact pad pointed to by the red arrow.
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IBtrain		#22 Posted : 03 March 2023 07:24:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Hi Because I see the discussion continuing here is more info: Appologies, indeed the slider and the flat spring are 100% standard BUT the bakelite part is fancy as you may see below On top, an old-style 7165 (the the "ears" for locating holes on the bottom, the original slider delivered by Märklin with the 37060 / 34060 loco Of course one solution is to order the part you have located (from Göppingen? Can your retailer have it by special order? Here In Another solution "Bricolage" (as we say here in France) is to take a normal slider 7185 and remove the bakelite part to machine or file it to a total width of 5.5 mm. Then you mount back the bakelite and then install the slider in the proper orientation (no fool-proof tab anymore) Here is for reference another clearer picture of the bottom of my loco (same as yours) I hope you are good to go now Cheers Jean Hello Jean You have a good and inexpensive way to solve this issue I have. Hopefully I'll be able to get to it this weekend. Thanks, Kai
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IBtrain		#23 Posted : 03 March 2023 07:26:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: rhfil Will the single contact plate that is any where near the proper location actually make contact with the loco contact plate? They both appear to be too far. I'll take some measurements before I start to make sure. Thanks, Kai
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IBtrain		#24 Posted : 03 March 2023 07:30:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: rhfil On IBtrain's photo, not counting the wheels of the bogie, from the left side it is just above the right side of the second wheel. It has slightly dark coloration around it. On John-Jean's photo, which reversed the loco, it is slightly to the right of the contact pad pointed to by the red arrow. In my photo I left the screw in place, making the hole more difficult to see.
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IBtrain		#25 Posted : 05 March 2023 01:16:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		I took some measurements of the Lok and slider. Here you can see the spacing between the screw hole and the contact point is 3.5mm The spacing on the 7185 slider is 6.6mm, and more than 7mm on the other side. I found a slider were the spacing might work, However it's shorter than the original one that Jean has in his picture. So for now I'll search for the correct slider with better shipping options. Thanks for all the help and tips, Kai
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rhfil		#26 Posted : 05 March 2023 14:45:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		Art Knapp Plantland 4391 King George Blvd V3S 0L2 Surrey (CA,BC) Tel: 604-533-5886 Email: engineer@yeoldetrain.com He is an LGB dealer but might be willing to add the item with his next shipment. Not sure if his location is close enough to you to drive over.
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IBtrain		#27 Posted : 12 March 2023 00:50:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Nanaimo BC		Originally Posted by: rhfil Art Knapp Plantland 4391 King George Blvd V3S 0L2 Surrey (CA,BC) Tel: 604-533-5886 Email: engineer@yeoldetrain.com He is an LGB dealer but might be willing to add the item with his next shipment. Not sure if his location is close enough to you to drive over. Hi rhfil Thanks for the info. I can give him a call. Cheers, Kai
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