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Offline cintrans  
#1 Posted : 27 November 2022 13:53:04(UTC)
cintrans

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Hi

Several of my lok's have been digitized with mLD decoders with the 21 pin carrier board, is a 21MTC ESU loksound decoder compatible with the carrier board? e.a. can I just switch the decoder without rewiring the carrier board?

Secondly, can you program the sound files on a "empty" loksound decoder with the ESU Ecos ( 3.5.7 firmware) or can it only be done via the LokProgrammer?

Regards

Jean-Pierre
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 27 November 2022 14:24:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cintrans Go to Quoted Post
Hi

Several of my lok's have been digitized with mLD decoders with the 21 pin carrier board, is a 21MTC ESU loksound decoder compatible with the carrier board? e.a. can I just switch the decoder without rewiring the carrier board?


Yes. If you are going to fit a sound decoder the speaker wiring is the only additional wiring to consider.

Originally Posted by: cintrans Go to Quoted Post

Secondly, can you program the sound files on a "empty" loksound decoder with the ESU Ecos ( 3.5.7 firmware) or can it only be done via the LokProgrammer?

Regards

Jean-Pierre



I don't know, I think you need a Lokprogrammer. But your dealer should be able to load the sound file for you, and then you can tailor it using CV changes using your EcOS. The only difficulty comes if you want to add other sounds to a sound project, then you will definitely need a Lokprogrammer.
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Offline applor  
#3 Posted : 27 November 2022 22:07:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cintrans Go to Quoted Post
Hi

Secondly, can you program the sound files on a "empty" loksound decoder with the ESU Ecos ( 3.5.7 firmware) or can it only be done via the LokProgrammer?

Regards

Jean-Pierre



You can buy the decoders with a particular sound file loaded, or ask the dealer to - but really if you're going to be doing a few, do yourself a favour and buy the lokprogrammer. It is so much quicker and easier than trying to fiddle with individual CV's etc.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 28 November 2022 09:42:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cintrans Go to Quoted Post
Several of my lok's have been digitized with mLD decoders with the 21 pin carrier board, is a 21MTC ESU loksound decoder compatible with the carrier board?
That depends on AUX3 and AUX4: AFAIK they are always logic level with ESU decoders, but are always amplified with MLD decoders, but with MLD/3 they can be configured either way.
No problem if neither AUX3 nor AUX4 are in use.

Regards
Tom
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Offline pederbc  
#5 Posted : 28 November 2022 09:53:08(UTC)
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ESU has a special decoderversion with amplified AUX3 & AUX4, named MARKLIN.

Peder
Offline pederbc  
#6 Posted : 28 November 2022 09:57:39(UTC)
pederbc

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Sorry, the name is MKL. But the meaning is the same :-)
Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 29 November 2022 09:47:25(UTC)
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In the Märklins manual of the locomotive Märklin warned that if you install others manufacturer decoder the warranty lost.
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DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 29 November 2022 11:56:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
In the Märklins manual of the locomotive Märklin warned that if you install others manufacturer decoder the warranty lost.
Can you provide a link?`

Off topic here anyway as we talk about converted locos.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#9 Posted : 29 November 2022 17:04:37(UTC)
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TS did wrote install 21 pin carrier board which are Märklins and not the same like ESU;s ?
I know there is wires to connect and just simples easy follows.
In Märklin digital locomotives manual it stands a warning.
Märklin and ESU doesn´t have same color of the wires.
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Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 29 November 2022 17:09:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Märklin and ESU doesn´t have same color of the wires.
Good to know that.
But 21MTC sockets are 21MTC sockets. You just have to make sure whether it requires 21MTC according to NEM 660 or 21MTC according to NMRA standards.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
In Märklin digital locomotives manual it stands a warning.
Can you provide the ref. number of a locomotive that has this warning in the manual?
Regards
Tom
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