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Offline eldar760  
#1 Posted : 12 January 2022 03:30:09(UTC)
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Ordered 60216 CS3+ and 60042 power adapter, switch to 15V basedon instruction because use DC. Put on track new loco and wait for few minutes, than hear noise come from loco but cannot see that CS3+ found locos and loco is not moving. I tried with diffirent models locos I ordered all of them support mfx dcc and mm. Can you support me to check anything maybe I am doing wrong, but I check guide before start to do it.

tested CS3+ with below locos:
-22629
-22924
-22693
-22412

Sometimes locos light come and it run but without management.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 12 January 2022 06:06:21(UTC)
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15v for H0?

You're mistaking 2 rail with DC analog. Just because you're running Trix 2 rail, that doesn't equate with DC analog. You're running digital locos on 2 rail track, the track is only the conduit down which the signal flows - in this case 2 rail. It would make no difference if you were running Marklin 3 rail.

Switch the power pack to 18v then try. Also check that the mfx protocol is enabled in the systems settings on the CS3+. I'd suggest you also use the programming track to register your locos with.
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#3 Posted : 12 January 2022 07:07:56(UTC)
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Yes, I have all 3 protocols on. DCC also. Newer decoders are mfx and dcc.
Because of Marklin trademark rights to mfx, ESU calls theirs M4.
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#4 Posted : 13 January 2022 19:01:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
15v for H0?

You're mistaking 2 rail with DC analog. Just because you're running Trix 2 rail, that doesn't equate with DC analog. You're running digital locos on 2 rail track, the track is only the conduit down which the signal flows - in this case 2 rail. It would make no difference if you were running Marklin 3 rail.

Switch the power pack to 18v then try. Also check that the mfx protocol is enabled in the systems settings on the CS3+. I'd suggest you also use the programming track to register your locos with.


It doesn´t matter what power you have 15 or 19 volt for the digital.


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Offline Goofy  
#5 Posted : 13 January 2022 19:10:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post
Ordered 60216 CS3+ and 60042 power adapter, switch to 15V basedon instruction because use DC. Put on track new loco and wait for few minutes, than hear noise come from loco but cannot see that CS3+ found locos and loco is not moving. I tried with diffirent models locos I ordered all of them support mfx dcc and mm. Can you support me to check anything maybe I am doing wrong, but I check guide before start to do it.

tested CS3+ with below locos:
-22629
-22924
-22693
-22412

Sometimes locos light come and it run but without management.


Try to reset your CS3+.
Put locomotive on the track and i recommended you one locomotive at a time so CS3+ search after new locomotive.
If you have still problem you have problem with the CS3+.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 13 January 2022 23:49:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post
Ordered 60216 CS3+ and 60042 power adapter, switch to 15V basedon instruction because use DC. Put on track new loco and wait for few minutes, than hear noise come from loco but cannot see that CS3+ found locos and loco is not moving. I tried with diffirent models locos I ordered all of them support mfx dcc and mm. Can you support me to check anything maybe I am doing wrong, but I check guide before start to do it.

tested CS3+ with below locos:
-22629


This loco does not appear in the Trix product database, so may not have an mfx decoder.
The other three do appear and are all listed as mfx, so should register.

Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

-22924
-22693
-22412

Sometimes locos light come and it run but without management.


If you bought these second hand it could be that these locos have had mfx turned off, put them on the programming track and look at the CVs to see if this has happened.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 14 January 2022 02:10:58(UTC)
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It doesn´t matter what power you have 15 or 19 volt for the digital.


Here we have Goofy with his superior electrical knowledge again....

Tell me, if it doesn't matter which voltage you use why is the switch there?

If you run 15v on a large H0 layout and your wiring isn't that great you will get voltage drop at the furthest points on the layout. Using the 15v setting means you could end up with 12v which may be too low if the decoder is expecting 19v.

Marklin recommends you use 19v for H0, why would you use something different?

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#8 Posted : 15 January 2022 10:36:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
It doesn´t matter what power you have 15 or 19 volt for the digital.


Here we have Goofy with his superior electrical knowledge again....

Tell me, if it doesn't matter which voltage you use why is the switch there?

If you run 15v on a large H0 layout and your wiring isn't that great you will get voltage drop at the furthest points on the layout. Using the 15v setting means you could end up with 12v which may be too low if the decoder is expecting 19v.

Marklin recommends you use 19v for H0, why would you use something different?



Thank you for support after switch to 19V abd reset central station it is work. It is strange guide said for DC use 15V.

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#9 Posted : 15 January 2022 11:21:47(UTC)
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It doesn´t matter what power you have 15 or 19 volt for the digital.


Here we have Goofy with his superior electrical knowledge again....

Tell me, if it doesn't matter which voltage you use why is the switch there?

If you run 15v on a large H0 layout and your wiring isn't that great you will get voltage drop at the furthest points on the layout. Using the 15v setting means you could end up with 12v which may be too low if the decoder is expecting 19v.

Marklin recommends you use 19v for H0, why would you use something different?



15 volt are for the N and H0 scale to reduce power out to the track.
In fact it does not matter if Märklin did also use only 16 volt for the H0 scale.
I did tested use 15 volt and it works too for the H0.
15 volt are more harmless for the N scale just in this case about MiniTrix.

H0
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Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 15 January 2022 11:26:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

-22924
-22693
-22412

Sometimes locos light come and it run but without management.


If you bought these second hand it could be that these locos have had mfx turned off, put them on the programming track and look at the CVs to see if this has happened.


Strange...TS did verified tested with all protocol and it should work too with the DCC protocol.
It doesn´t matter if the mfx was turned off.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline kiwiAlan  
#11 Posted : 15 January 2022 13:37:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

-22924
-22693
-22412

Sometimes locos light come and it run but without management.


If you bought these second hand it could be that these locos have had mfx turned off, put them on the programming track and look at the CVs to see if this has happened.


Strange...TS did verified tested with all protocol and it should work too with the DCC protocol.
It doesn´t matter if the mfx was turned off.


Yet another bit of mis-information from Goofy - the thread title specifically mentions using mfx, so it DOES matter if it is turned off.
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#12 Posted : 15 January 2022 20:01:04(UTC)
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It doesn´t matter what power you have 15 or 19 volt for the digital.



60% more power to e.g. smoke generators matters BigGrin

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Offline Goofy  
#13 Posted : 15 January 2022 20:21:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

-22924
-22693
-22412

Sometimes locos light come and it run but without management.


If you bought these second hand it could be that these locos have had mfx turned off, put them on the programming track and look at the CVs to see if this has happened.


Strange...TS did verified tested with all protocol and it should work too with the DCC protocol.
It doesn´t matter if the mfx was turned off.


Yet another bit of mis-information from Goofy - the thread title specifically mentions using mfx, so it DOES matter if it is turned off.


No there is DCC and you put locomotive on the programming track to read out decoder.
It´s CS3 that shall read out locomotive decoder.

H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
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#14 Posted : 15 January 2022 20:24:31(UTC)
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It doesn´t matter what power you have 15 or 19 volt for the digital.



60% more power to e.g. smoke generators matters

Per.



Nope...even in bigger scale like 0 you can also have 15 volt.
I did read about that in another english train forum from UK.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#15 Posted : 15 January 2022 21:22:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Nope...even in bigger scale like 0 you can also have 15 volt.
I did read about that in another english train forum from UK.


That's the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read on this forum. Try running big heavy 1 Gauge locos on 15v and see where that gets you...

So you read it on another UK English train forum, so it must be true and factual.... LOL

I've had actual experience with running 1 Gauge locos on 15v or less due to voltage drop around a layout and it wasn't pretty. Both times it was with my KM1 BR01 loco. The first time, the loco was being backed through a double slip switch in which the front half had been set for the direction of running but the rear half of the switch hadn't. The loco, which was being driven slow, derailed causing a short. The booster didn't detect the short, tried to push more current out to compensate for the low voltage with the result that the wires leading from the wheel power pickup contacts cooked and burst into smoke, which I had to replace.

The second time the loco was being driven through a reversing loop, of which it had just come out of after which the loco stopped dead - no smoke, no obvious damage, nothing. That resulted in a decoder replacement.

So I know from experience your above statement is complete excrement.

Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Yet another bit of mis-information from Goofy.......


Yes it is once again, so now I'm warning you Goofy as a moderator please refrain from giving advice in these types of threads because you give wrong, incorrect or misleading information and that causes confusion. Please leave the advice giving to people who know what they are talking about such as Per, H0, KiwiAlan, Clapcott and some others I could mention. Ignore me at your peril because I'm sure you know where that ends. In short, we've had enough of it!
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#16 Posted : 15 January 2022 21:36:27(UTC)
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Thank you for support after switch to 19V abd reset central station it is work. It is strange guide said for DC use 15V.


No problem, I'm glad I was able to help. As I said in my email to you Marklin has managed to completely screw up the description for that 15v/19v switch on the power supplies where they talk about 15v DC and 19v AC where the description should say 15v DC / 19v DC. That was discussed in thread https://www.marklin-user...-and-60045-pros-and-cons

The fact you are now working OK on the 19v setting further shows Goofy doesn't know what he's talking about when saying use either or!

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#17 Posted : 15 January 2022 21:37:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post


It doesn´t matter what power you have 15 or 19 volt for the digital.



60% more power to e.g. smoke generators matters

Per.



Nope...even in bigger scale like 0 you can also have 15 volt.
I did read about that in another english train forum from UK.



I'm quite sure that Ohm's law also is valid on other train forums LOL

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#18 Posted : 15 January 2022 21:41:53(UTC)
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I'm quite sure that Ohm's law also is valid on other train forums LOL


Which is exactly what happened with my example of my KM1 loco cooking.

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#19 Posted : 16 January 2022 10:17:45(UTC)
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I'm quite sure that Ohm's law also is valid on other train forums LOL


Which is exactly what happened with my example of my KM1 loco cooking.



I can only add one loco with mfx, remin 3 locos cannot. keep as 19V power, keep trail of and put new loco on it, then power on trail. Wait for long time cs3 plus cannot find new locos and tried also rediscover lost mfx loco no any changes. Can you guide how to fix ?
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#20 Posted : 16 January 2022 10:32:24(UTC)
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Try with the loco on the programming track.

Also if you have a MS2 or a friend or a dealer nearby with a MS2 / CS2 / CS3, do your locos register on those devices?
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#21 Posted : 16 January 2022 12:50:27(UTC)
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Try with the loco on the programming track.

Also if you have a MS2 or a friend or a dealer nearby with a MS2 / CS2 / CS3, do your locos register on those devices?


No, I have not. Only 1 locos normally registered.
Do you mean I need change socket from normal to prog track ? still keep 19V on power adapter?
What is next step ?

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#22 Posted : 16 January 2022 15:54:04(UTC)
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Do you mean I need change socket from normal to prog track ? still keep 19V on power adapter?


Yes.
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#23 Posted : 16 January 2022 23:15:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

Do you mean I need change socket from normal to prog track ? still keep 19V on power adapter?


Yes.


I use simple trail before purchased for DC analog line by piko, just bought CS3+ and connect it. Can be trail is problem ?
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#24 Posted : 17 January 2022 11:07:59(UTC)
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If you mean to say track by trail? You have a Piko dc locomotive. Is it analog or dcc Digital? It will not run on 3 rail track. If it is Digital and you have two Rail tracks, that is not a problem. You enable dcc protocol in your CS3.
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#25 Posted : 17 January 2022 12:34:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
If you mean to say track by trail? You have a Piko dc locomotive. Is it analog or dcc Digital? It will not run on 3 rail track. If it is Digital and you have two Rail tracks, that is not a problem. You enable dcc protocol in your CS3.


I used before DC analog loco, then get new trix DC digital locos and CS3+ but keep same trails. I checked trails cannot be problem for digital part.



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#26 Posted : 17 January 2022 13:11:27(UTC)
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Check the CS3 system settings and scroll to protocols. I keep mine all on. MM, MFX, and DCC. TRIX digital are DCC. I have a ski lift with an ESU dcc/M4 decoder, and the CS3 recognized it as MFX. Have you tried manually loading the Trix Loco. as a dcc decoder type, and entering it's address?
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#27 Posted : 17 January 2022 13:14:55(UTC)
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TRIX digital are DCC.
Some of them are mfx/DCC or mfx/DCC/MM.
Decoders with active mfx will not react to their DCC or MM addresses if mfx is enabled in the controller - registering them manually with the DCC address will then work only if mfx is disabled in the controller.

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#28 Posted : 18 January 2022 05:48:19(UTC)
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Check the CS3 system settings and scroll to protocols. I keep mine all on. MM, MFX, and DCC. TRIX digital are DCC. I have a ski lift with an ESU dcc/M4 decoder, and the CS3 recognized it as MFX. Have you tried manually loading the Trix Loco. as a dcc decoder type, and entering it's address?


I double check mfx, mm2 and dcc are enabled on cs3+. Trying to add TRIX 22924("272 205-6 RTS" factory name) it found it but still cannot manage.
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#29 Posted : 18 January 2022 09:30:11(UTC)
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What CS3 software version are you running?
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#30 Posted : 18 January 2022 20:41:23(UTC)
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What CS3 software version are you running?



SW version : 2.3.1 CS3+ 60216
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#31 Posted : 19 January 2022 16:20:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
What CS3 software version are you running?



SW version : 2.3.1 CS3+ 60216



I connect CS3+ to Piko trailrack like Screen Shot 2022-01-19 at 7.13.19 PM.png .Initially when I ordered locos I considered DC not AC and ordered power adapter for DC. Is it possible that mentioned trailrack of piko and CS3+ has problem with interoperability or not ? In this case why first locos founded with mfx but other 3 locos CS3+ cannot found.

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#32 Posted : 19 January 2022 17:47:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

I connect CS3+ to Piko trailrack like Screen Shot 2022-01-19 at 7.13.19 PM.png .Initially when I ordered locos I considered DC not AC and ordered power adapter for DC. Is it possible that mentioned trailrack of piko and CS3+ has problem with interoperability or not ? In this case why first locos founded with mfx but other 3 locos CS3+ cannot found.


So what is the Piko catalogue number of the part you are using?

If it has the interference suppressor component on it then remove it. The cs3 will not be able to send DCC signals or receive mfx responses with it there.

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#33 Posted : 19 January 2022 19:24:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

I connect CS3+ to Piko trailrack like Screen Shot 2022-01-19 at 7.13.19 PM.png .Initially when I ordered locos I considered DC not AC and ordered power adapter for DC. Is it possible that mentioned trailrack of piko and CS3+ has problem with interoperability or not ? In this case why first locos founded with mfx but other 3 locos CS3+ cannot found.


So what is the Piko catalogue number of the part you are using?

If it has the interference suppressor component on it then remove it. The cs3 will not be able to send DCC signals or receive mfx responses with it there.



You're on the right track BigGrin

If the power connector is 55720, it does have emc suppresion;
if it's 55725 it doesn't have emc suppresion.

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#34 Posted : 20 January 2022 19:30:33(UTC)
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I'm quite sure that Ohm's law also is valid on other train forums

Per.



What Ohm´s law?
Even smoke generator works at 15 volt or 19 volt...what ever.
TS did also asked problem about locomotives does not speak with the CS3 at the 15 volt which should be work.
I did tested in both 15 and 19 volt by use 60041 and there was no problem.
What i know myself is that TS are not alone to have problem with Märklin system.

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#35 Posted : 21 January 2022 05:21:59(UTC)
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Cool

Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post

I connect CS3+ to Piko trailrack like Screen Shot 2022-01-19 at 7.13.19 PM.png .Initially when I ordered locos I considered DC not AC and ordered power adapter for DC. Is it possible that mentioned trailrack of piko and CS3+ has problem with interoperability or not ? In this case why first locos founded with mfx but other 3 locos CS3+ cannot found.


So what is the Piko catalogue number of the part you are using?

If it has the interference suppressor component on it then remove it. The cs3 will not be able to send DCC signals or receive mfx responses with it there.



You're on the right track BigGrin

If the power connector is 55720, it does have emc suppresion;
if it's 55725 it doesn't have emc suppresion.

Per.

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It's simple track with DC power connector. like below. Only one TRIX locos can be added with mfx normally. For other CS3+ not find.

Screen Shot 2022-01-21 at 8.18.13 AM.png Screen Shot 2022-01-21 at 8.17.42 AM.png (1,592kb) downloaded 2 time(s).

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#36 Posted : 21 January 2022 06:32:01(UTC)
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We have exhausted all of the possibilities of what the problem could be. As i suggested before you need to find someone with a Marklin controller who can test your Trix locos on another controller other than yours.

If they register on another controller there is most likely an issue with your CS3+, if they also do not register on another controller the problem is most likely that mfx has been disabled on the Trix loco decoders.

BTW Per, you got your numbers back to front - 55720 should be 55270 and 55725 should be 55275.
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#37 Posted : 21 January 2022 12:36:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
We have exhausted all of the possibilities of what the problem could be.


Not completely, IMHO BigGrin

Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
BTW Per, you got your numbers back to front - 55720 should be 55270 and 55725 should be 55275.


You are correct BigGrin

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#38 Posted : 21 January 2022 12:47:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post
It's simple track with DC power connector. like below. Only one TRIX locos can be added with mfx normally. For other CS3+ not find.

Screen Shot 2022-01-21 at 8.18.13 AM.png Screen Shot 2022-01-21 at 8.17.42 AM.png (1,592kb) downloaded 2 time(s).



If your track connector is the PIKO 55275 you show on the picture, there is one more test I would like you to do Cool

You can do it in any of these 3 ways:

1: Remove the PIKO 55275 completely, and twist the two wires from the CS3 to one of the normal track pieces,
one wire to each track, in a way so they don't touch each other and so you have a good electrical connection.
Use two clothes-pins, tape or whatever you have to secure the two connections.

Or:

2: Open the PIKO 55275 and remove the components inside the plastic box, it's probably a small capacitor and maybe
a few resistors. If you can do that, then you can use the shell of the PIKO 55275

Or:

3: Buy a PIKO 55270 and don't use the PIKO 55275.

When you have this setup ready, try to put your locos on the track you now have, and see if the will register on your CS3 BigGrin

( The PIKO 55275 has EMC-protection inside the plastic box, parts which are meant for analog DC current, and these parts will destroy the digital signal )

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#39 Posted : 21 January 2022 13:01:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What Ohm´s law?


The findings of George Ohm, published in 1827, now known as "Ohm's Law" and used by scientists all over the world BigGrin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Even smoke generator works at 15 volt or 19 volt...what ever.


I think you should write a letter to the company Seuthe, and tell them they don't need to make so many different
versions of their smoke generators, since it according to you doesn't matter which voltage you apply to them LOL

https://seuthe-dampf.de/technische-daten/

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#40 Posted : 21 January 2022 22:09:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
We have exhausted all of the possibilities of what the problem could be.


Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
If your track connector is the PIKO 55275 you show on the picture, there is one more test I would like you to do.....

( The PIKO 55275 has EMC-protection inside the plastic box, parts which are meant for analog DC current, and these parts will destroy the digital signal )


Hi Per, the reason why I said that was because I understand from Piko's description that 55275 does NOT have EMC protection built in.

55275.JPG

You are working on the assumption 55275 has EMC protection.
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#41 Posted : 22 January 2022 21:16:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
We have exhausted all of the possibilities of what the problem could be. As i suggested before you need to find someone with a Marklin controller who can test your Trix locos on another controller other than yours.

If they register on another controller there is most likely an issue with your CS3+, if they also do not register on another controller the problem is most likely that mfx has been disabled on the Trix loco decoders.

BTW Per, you got your numbers back to front - 55720 should be 55270 and 55725 should be 55275.


Problem resolved finally and all locos has been registered by CS3+.
Solution:
1. Keep 19V on adapter
2. Switch line to prog from normal
3. recover lost mfx locos

Working fine now, after register switch line from prog track to normal.

Thank you for support. LOL LOL LOL BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
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#42 Posted : 22 January 2022 21:31:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
We have exhausted all of the possibilities of what the problem could be.


Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
If your track connector is the PIKO 55275 you show on the picture, there is one more test I would like you to do.....

( The PIKO 55275 has EMC-protection inside the plastic box, parts which are meant for analog DC current, and these parts will destroy the digital signal )


Hi Per, the reason why I said that was because I understand from Piko's description that 55275 does NOT have EMC protection built in.

55275.JPG

You are working on the assumption 55275 has EMC protection.


I hate to say it; but you're right again BigGrin

I must have been tired when I Googled the numbers Blushing

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#43 Posted : 22 January 2022 21:33:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post


Problem resolved finally and all locos has been registered by CS3+.
Solution:
1. Keep 19V on adapter
2. Switch line to prog from normal
3. recover lost mfx locos

Working fine now, after register switch line from prog track to normal.

Thank you for support. LOL LOL LOL BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin


Great BigGrin

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#44 Posted : 22 January 2022 23:28:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
........you're right again BigGrin


LOL BigGrin LOL BigGrin LOL BigGrin

(It doesn't happen very often so I have to make the most of it when it does.)

Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post
Problem resolved finally and all locos has been registered by CS3+.


Glad to hear its all resolved and glad we could be of help.

Back to door hanging........(I'm currently hanging a new front door).
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#45 Posted : 23 January 2022 00:20:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
........you're right again BigGrin


LOL BigGrin LOL BigGrin LOL BigGrin

(It doesn't happen very often so I have to make the most of it when it does.)

Originally Posted by: eldar760 Go to Quoted Post
Problem resolved finally and all locos has been registered by CS3+.


Glad to hear its all resolved and glad we could be of help.

Back to door hanging........(I'm currently hanging a new front door).


Don't hang yourself as well. ... BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

And you don't need to feel too superior over posts 7 and 14 either ... Cool Cool Cool Laugh LOL

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#46 Posted : 23 January 2022 01:41:37(UTC)
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