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Offline husafreak  
#1 Posted : 07 September 2021 02:45:33(UTC)
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Hate to ask really, so needy, but I'll be transiting Europe in September, Split, Zagreb, Graz, Munich, Koln, Brussels, Barcelona. If anyone has favorite train shops (Marklin Z preferred) in those cities, or just amazing shops they know of, I would try to visit them! I know a trip like this is ill advised in these turbulent Covid days but that's the travel plan, my insane travel plan... Here in the states 99% of train shops do not carry Z but maybe Europe is different?
Offline Zme  
#2 Posted : 07 September 2021 03:31:38(UTC)
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Hello. Sounds like a fantastic travel plan. Exciting!

I just wanted to remind you, between Munich and Koln is Goeppingen. Perhaps a museum visit would be an idea. The annual museum wagon in Z might still be available.

There are a few Z stores in Goeppingen, if they are still on business. Just having something right from Goeppingen would be special. I would consider advertising type items, they are hard to get here. General Marklin or even Mini Club items are nice in your collection room.

Just an idea, let us know how your trip goes and what you run into.

Safe travels, take good care.

Dwight



Offline husafreak  
#3 Posted : 07 September 2021 03:37:55(UTC)
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Thanks!
Offline Zme  
#4 Posted : 07 September 2021 04:06:51(UTC)
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Great! Watch for the Geislingen gap a few miles out of Goeppingen by rail. It is a steep grade that attract many tourists because of this. Check it out this YouTube.



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8. Is a fan favorite and the highway right next to the tracks makes it special. Geislingen is the home of WMF a longtime dinnerware manufacturer with extreme high quality.

Best wishes

Dwight
Offline husafreak  
#5 Posted : 07 September 2021 04:14:11(UTC)
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We are traveling by train from Zagreb to Koln with the day stops in Graz and Munich. I was wanting to get a Eurail pass but then it was cheaper to just go point to point. I'll research our routing tomorrow, I hope to see some sights from my window seat. I did just mention trying to get off the train in Goeppingen for a few hours to my wife, what a face!
I know we will be on ICE trains so I'll probably be in the market for one of those soon :)
Offline Zme  
#6 Posted : 07 September 2021 04:31:31(UTC)
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Hi. Wife’s like the Geislingen WMF factory sales outlet. Check their website.

It would seem traveling down from Stuttgart to Munchen, you would go right thru Goeppingen and Geislingen. The ICE travels this route.

I don’t think any of the ICE z models are still in production so old stock would be your only option.


Best wishes

Dwight
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Offline IanC  
#7 Posted : 07 September 2021 09:23:26(UTC)
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I'd be inclined to get the local trains as there is a supplement on the ICE and it probably doesn't stop at Geislingen. The Steiff teddy bear factory at Giengen is also popular. Change at Ulm. More shopping outlets at Metzingen, change at Plochingen. Ritter chocolate factory at Waldenbuch or a day at the lake Bodensee / Constance at Lindau is a nice day out too.

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Offline marklinist5999  
#8 Posted : 07 September 2021 10:57:35(UTC)
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Odd that I'm not familiar with WMF China. I have Villeroy and Boch Artemis, Graf Von Henneberg, and Johan Havilland.
Offline hxmiesa  
#9 Posted : 07 September 2021 11:50:30(UTC)
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In July, I was on staying in Barcelona. I visited 3 shops in the city.
One was closed (open only on request by telephone) (Cavall De Ferro, I think was the name... )
One was a disappointment (Rocafort), as I was mainly after 2nd hand stuff.
One was in the very center of the most touristic part on the city (Palau de Trenes) where I was finally able to pick up a used E44 with sound and moving pantos.

I was disappointed by the lack of stuff in the shops in general. Things have certainly changed this last decade. Unsure

Z-scale was present, but only in minimal cuantities.

If possible, you might want to go to Bazar Valira in Andorra, which is reachable from Barcelona, but will take you an entire day.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#10 Posted : 07 September 2021 13:37:46(UTC)
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Joes Modellbahn have quite a bit of Z scale items - check their website (search for 'Spur Z') - http://joes-modellbahnlaedle.net

To get to Joes, take the train from Stuttgart to Nürtingen (which goes through Plochingen). Change to the railcar that goes to Neuffen, get off at Frickenhausen (5 mins from Nürtingen). At the right end of the platform (looking at the rail with the platform behind you) cross the track and head up to the main street. Turn left on to the main street and you will see the shop about 200 metres away on the opposite side of the road. You can pre-purchase tickets at the DB ticket office at Stuttgart Hbf - if Conrad is still there he was really helpful to us numpties trying to find our way around.

You may also find Z Scale at ETS (https://www.modelleisenbahn.com) or at Modellbahn West (https://www.modellbahn-west.de/) but I don't know how easy or hard it is to get to those shops.

Originally Posted by: Zme Go to Quoted Post
There are a few Z stores in Goeppingen, if they are still on business


Hi Dwight, what Marklin shops are in Goeppingen? - we never did get to find any when there.

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Offline mike c  
#11 Posted : 07 September 2021 17:27:35(UTC)
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It's been a while since I was in Göppingen, but these were the shops back then. AFAIK they are still there:

1) Korb-Rau https://www.korb-rau.vedes.de/

2) Müller (it was either Apotheke or Drogerie) According to the Muller website there are two stores in Göppingen - https://www.mueller.de/meine-filiale/

3) I presume that the Märklin Store at the Märklineum should be on this list too.

Regards

Mike C

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#12 Posted : 07 September 2021 17:32:45(UTC)
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In Munich, there is definitely Gleis 11 right by the station and Bernhard Wild (BW Bahn).
In Barcelona there is Gotthard trens. Don't know how much Z they stock.

Regards

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Offline Zme  
#13 Posted : 07 September 2021 17:53:58(UTC)
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Hello Great topic!

When I was there at least two shops were in business. It is possible things change and they are not longer there. Here are the two:

Eiser Spielwaren
Kirchstrasse 1

Reik Spielwaren
Geislinger Str 24

Google street view may confirm if they are still there.

I was there a long time ago. It is possible when the Museum started the small vendors could not compete. For many years, Marklin had no factory sales, you had to know someone who knew someone who worked there.

Glad to clarify this, no sense searching Goeppingen looking for a business which does not exist. The only place I can positively confirm is still there is the Museum and the stock there should be impressive.

Best wishes

Dwight

Offline parakiet  
#14 Posted : 07 September 2021 20:32:10(UTC)
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When are you in Brussels? :)
Offline Poor Skeleton  
#15 Posted : 07 September 2021 21:42:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
In Munich, there is definitely Gleis 11 right by the station and Bernhard Wild (BW Bahn).
In Barcelona there is Gotthard trens. Don't know how much Z they stock.

Regards

Mike C


And Marklin have a franchise in the big department store across the road from the station in Munich.

If you can get to Waterloo from Brussels, Alpha Models seem to have a good stock of Z scale items.

Cheers


Chris
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#16 Posted : 07 September 2021 22:13:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zme Go to Quoted Post
The only place I can positively confirm is still there is the Museum and the stock there should be impressive.


This picture of me with Forum Moderator Sancho Bartels (who sadly passed away a few days ago) was taken in the Marklin Store at Goeppingen and as you can see it is well stocked. There's more to the Store to the left of where we are.

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Offline parakiet  
#17 Posted : 07 September 2021 22:15:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Poor Skeleton Go to Quoted Post


If you can get to Waterloo from Brussels, Alpha Models seem to have a good stock of Z scale items.

Cheers


Chris


I can't really advise em. The prices in Germany are WAY better, as is the stock!

There is however a nice second hand store with nice Z scale prices: CC-rails. About the same distance from Brussels...
Offline hxmiesa  
#18 Posted : 07 September 2021 22:25:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post

In Barcelona there is Gotthard trens. Don't know how much Z they stock.

I would say that Gotthard is no longer a viable option in the center of Barcelona.
I understand that the partner owners split up, and the shop (what's left of it) is now located far from the city center. It might be mail-order only?!

I know that several members of this forum live in Catalonia, so maybe they could enlighten us further?
(after all I live near Bilbao, so am only a tourist in Barcelona anyway...)
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Offline Poor Skeleton  
#19 Posted : 07 September 2021 22:30:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post


I can't really advise em. The prices in Germany are WAY better, as is the stock!

There is however a nice second hand store with nice Z scale prices: CC-rails. About the same distance from Brussels...


Thanks very much for that - there’s no substitute for local knowledge!

Cheers


Chris
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Offline Toosmall  
#20 Posted : 08 September 2021 01:05:59(UTC)
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I have relatives in Germany, a number in Munich. Never really looked at train shops while there. It was off my mind for many years.

But in relation to transport. Munich is brilliant to get around including their bus network every 10 minutes.

Also Germany has a Sunday family pass, so check that out for longer distance. If you are staying in a BB or private rental home, ask for the local travel voucher from them, they should just give it to you without asking, it is just a slip of paper with accommodation details. It was implemented by the government to support tourism and help individual private accommodation. We had a pass in Radolfzell southern Germany, and the pass was great.

There is a toy shop with trains in Radolfzell, Spiel and Freizeit Swars, Schützenstr 5, did buy one of my ICE sets there a long time ago. In 2014 they didn't have much. Been there on a number of trips.
Offline Zme  
#21 Posted : 08 September 2021 05:59:18(UTC)
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Hello.

Here is the link to the WMF Website. They make high end kitchenware not available all over the EU.

https://www.wmf.com/en/

If time allows, might be a nice stop. As Chris mentioned, a local may provide more current information about this. It is possible the factory outlet may not be open at this time.

Take good care.

Dwight
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Offline marklinist5999  
#22 Posted : 08 September 2021 11:27:35(UTC)
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I did have a look at the WMF site Dwight! Currently they only ship to Austria and within Germany.
Some nice cutlery, etc. Nothing I need. Our kitchen is well equipped. Whustof Trident knives from Solingen, some tri ply heavy sauciers, a Skan pan stainless searing skillet, an All Clad roaster, and a Calphalon hybrid set.
Additionally, a vintage Cusinart processor, Kitchen aid stand mixer, some vitro ceramic pieces too. A deep covered French oval Dutch oven. Also a cast iron 6 qt. Dutch oven and a large covered skillet. A large glass stir fry pan with glass lid. Bakeware too, and a granite pastry work top on the island.
Cooking is done on (wishing we had an AGA, or a Wolf) dual fuel convection range. Induction might be nice too.
BBQ grill outside is a charcoal and gas Split hybrid. I added a rotisserie.
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#23 Posted : 08 September 2021 11:42:16(UTC)
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Some years ago, at the local Salvation Army store none the less, I found complete sets of vintage Noritake Ranier pattern China, and an Eva Zeisel silver wheat mid century set by Havilland of Bavaria.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#24 Posted : 08 September 2021 12:13:51(UTC)
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Did you already search for Marklin dealers on the Maerklin website? I just tried the English version, which does not work on my PC, but the German search function does. You have to select "Haendlersuche" and select/enter the three criteria shown for find shops in Munich ("Muenchen"). You can do the same for Cologne (by looking for "Koeln") etc.
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Sampling one of the Munich dealers, BW-Bahn in the south of the city has Z gauge items in stock and is open for visits (mask required).
Offline Zme  
#25 Posted : 09 September 2021 00:32:57(UTC)
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Hello.

Just noted, EBay USA has an ICE (88712) auction listed. These are not seen very often and seldom cheap.

Nice one.

Take good care

Dwight
Offline husafreak  
#26 Posted : 09 September 2021 01:14:59(UTC)
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You are a good man Zme.
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Offline STE-BM  
#27 Posted : 09 September 2021 02:12:45(UTC)
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Just north of Stuttgart there is this store with a great selection including Z. Prices are also very competitive. besserePreise.com https://goo.gl/maps/aasveC49r2UKcm266

And add to your journey Goppingen, it’s just an hour south Stuttgart. The museum is a must see.

I’ve not been to Gratz area in Austria, I can only suggest Rainer’s shop in Innsbruck, beautiful city btw to visit.
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#28 Posted : 09 September 2021 13:57:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: STE-BM Go to Quoted Post

I’ve not been to Gratz area in Austria, I can only suggest Rainer’s shop in Innsbruck, beautiful city btw to visit.


Agree about Rainers shop. When we were in Innsbruck in 1997 the folk at the Tourist Information Centre were able to direct us to Rainers which impressed me.

Offline husafreak  
#29 Posted : 10 September 2021 11:03:23(UTC)
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Brussels is a great city, been many times always fun, the museum was nice, mostly older locos but some great ones, amazing story of how Belgians built RR in China.
Offline husafreak  
#30 Posted : 10 September 2021 11:09:25(UTC)
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I’ll check out the Marklin website for that shop info…
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#31 Posted : 10 September 2021 12:11:43(UTC)
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Is there a list anywhere of used toy fairs / market days that occur in Germany?

Steve Cook mentioned to me that he found out that there is a market day held in Stuttgart on the Sunday of the IMA. He found this out by chance when we were there in 2019, and there were a few sellers selling used Marklin items.
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Offline Unholz  
#32 Posted : 10 September 2021 18:24:03(UTC)
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Is there a list anywhere of used toy fairs / market days that occur in Germany?

There are lots of these lists - unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to find out which one is the most comprehensive and reliable. Some are limited to regions/Bundesländer.

Here is one example: http://www.modellbahnmar.../event/calendar/list.php

Or try your own Google search with terms such as Modelleisenbahnbörse, Modellbahnmarkt, Börsentermine, Spielzeugbörsen, etc.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#33 Posted : 11 September 2021 12:33:57(UTC)
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Thanks Stefan, knowing the proper term to search for helps immensely.
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