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Offline kimballthurlow  
#1 Posted : 08 September 2021 02:05:21(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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39710- a review of a 20 year old ICE

Well I got this train set from Germany, second-hand, 20 years old.
It is my first ICE train.
Now I have seen these in action in Germany and I have travelled in them.
Excellent efficient trains I must say.

But when it came time to buy a model I have hesitated for two reasons.

1. As a model, a bit like in real, they are so sleek, smooth, fast and seem effortless that there is nothing else to impress. By contrast there is something impressive about a steam engine struggling up a grade.
2. My layout with modelled legacy infrastructure does not have the routing built especially for these ICE.

Anyway this model (39710) is apparently a bit special so I decided to buy it.
Produced in year 2000, it was ostensibly only produced as a run of 2,000.
It has a C-sine motor.
And it was originally put together by Siemens and Adtranz as an experimental train to prove certain advances in technology.
(I am guessing that it used the existing ICE trains as a basis).
So the train was ever only 5 cars, but has 5 pantographs so that interested me.
The whole train is powered for lights so all couplings are current conducting.

To test the model I put the power car on the track (the other end is a driving trailer)
I scrolled through the MS1 (still works perfectly) database looking for model 39710.
There it is, all good - select.
The engine makes a click noise, but does not budge.
So I removed the body and checked the circuit board from the user manual noting at the same time how compact the motor is.
Yes - correct DIP switches set.
Tweaked the maximum speed and acceleration pots while power was on, and still nothing.
Hooking up one of the carriages made no difference.

So I opened the driving trailer and noted there was more circuitry and some mechanical device on one axle which is probably a switch for direction of travel lighting.
This made me realise that with the two end units hooked together, it may run.
This I did, and it ran so beautifully it really does replicate the real thing..
There was nothing in the user manual to say that the whole train or at least the two end units must be coupled for it to work.

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I realise now why these models appeal.
My wife tells me I am easily impressed and OK I get that but yes this model is great.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
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Offline river6109  
#2 Posted : 08 September 2021 04:42:52(UTC)
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Noticed: I only could see 4 pantographs, I think most of them only worked when you added both driving cars (reversing relay).

John
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 08 September 2021 08:41:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
And it was originally put together by Siemens and Adtranz as an experimental train to prove certain advances in technology.
(I am guessing that it used the existing ICE trains as a basis).
It has two powered end cars of class 410.1, much like those used by ICE 1 and ICE 2.
And the three cars in the middle are prototypes for the new ICE 3 train with propulsion distributed all over the train.
I see five pantographs.

The train now has 3 cars only, the car in the middle is not powered.
I run a three-piece consist with an ICE 2 coach in the middle. I didn't add the extra bits on the roof, like lamps and cameras, to correctly replicate the three-piece version. This could be a future project.

The real thing:
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Tom
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"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Offline Johnvr  
#4 Posted : 08 September 2021 09:02:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post


So the train was ever only 5 cars, but has 5 pantographs so that interested me.

Kimball


Kimball

I believe that electric locomotives had several pantographs so that they could pick up respective voltage specifications from European countries which were using different voltages for their trains.

Regards
John
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#5 Posted : 08 September 2021 14:43:02(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
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Anyway this model (39710) is apparently a bit special so I decided to buy it.
Produced in year 2000, it was ostensibly only produced as a run of 2,000.
It has a C-sine motor.
And it was originally put together by Siemens and Adtranz as an experimental train to prove certain advances in technology.
(I am guessing that it used the existing ICE trains as a basis).


I thought the production run was more than 2000, but could well be wrong, I'll need to consult my Kolls.

As you note it is a 'special' train. As noted by Tom (H0) the prototype was used as a test train to test out the distributed drive across the coaches in preparation for the production of the ICE-3. But the model is also special (and I thought Marklin was very clever in choosing to model the ICE-S for this purpose) in that it was the very first model that marklin produced using the C-Sine motor. The box should have a serial number on it and there should be a certificate with a matching serial number.

The model was offered to Insider members who were put into a ballot to decide who would get the limited number available. It also came with a questionnaire for the user to fill in to detail its performance. On return of the questionnaire to Marklin the owner was sent a gift, I believe it was a small multimeter, as a thank you for filling it out.

So, yes, you have a special model, for which there is a one-off prototype, and the model is special as it was the first production of the new style motor.

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Offline bph  
#6 Posted : 08 September 2021 23:27:21(UTC)
bph

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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
39710- a review of a 20 year old ICE

Well I got this train set from Germany, second-hand, 20 years old.
It is my first ICE train.

So the train was ever only 5 cars, but has 5 pantographs so that interested me.

There was nothing in the user manual to say that the whole train or at least the two end units must be coupled for it to work.

Kimball


congratulate on the "new" 39710, it's indeed a nice model.

Several other train configurations have been tested on the prototype, including a setup with 7 intermediate cars in 2006.
It's recommended to read the german Wikipedia article for a more complete story about the original.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_S

you can run the 39710 powered drive unit alone, as long as you run it only "forward", if you need to reverse, then you then need the second unpowered drive unit.

you should be aware that the electronics on the 39710 can sometimes be a bit unstable. (i plan to upgrade my 39710 with a 3rd party driver unit, and an mSD3, because it has started to have uneven driving characteristics).

the site lokmuseum.com/.de writes that Märklin produced 6000 of this train set, but web-hgh.de writes that Märklin produced 7500.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#7 Posted : 09 September 2021 01:22:31(UTC)
kimballthurlow

Australia   
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC)
Posts: 6,087
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Hello all,
The ICE trains are a bit of a mystery for me (both model and real), so thanks to all for filling in some of the blanks to my knowledge.
And I will definitely follow up on the article links on the internet to further my understanding.

Yes I have the certificate which came with the set and it states 1810 of 2000. and the Insider member name.
The number 1810 also shows on the left end of the box lid (if box picture upright).
Maybe Märklin issued the certificate only for the first 2,000 produced.
In which case the production above 2,000 did not get a certificate.

My grand-daughter just travelled from Frankfurt to Aarhus (Denmark) changing at Hamburg.
She did not tell me which ICE type she travelled in, but she did say that the DB were very basic compared to the DSB where the seating is generous.
(The DSB Lyntog were made in Randers, Denmark in 1989).
I think the Danish loading gauge may be larger than that of Germany probably because there were never any tunnels in Denmark prior to about 2000.

DBAG ICE
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DSB Lyntog (Lightning Train)
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Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
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