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steventrain		#1 Posted : 29 January 2009 20:57:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,701 Location: United Kingdom		I have email from Marklin. 'Dear ## #######, Thank you very much for your e-mail and your interest in our products. The next update for the Central Station 60213 will be available expected after the exhibition Nuremberg. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service' Edit 26/5/09 - Märklin CS2 update 1.1.3 is available.
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Frostie		#2 Posted : 29 January 2009 21:16:46(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 29 January 2009 21:24:28(UTC) Retweet
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Webmaster		#4 Posted : 29 January 2009 22:06:54(UTC) Retweet
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Frostie		#5 Posted : 29 January 2009 22:08:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Who is Mr."Hoskins"...? Goofy Learn to work closely with details, and you might be able to derive where "Mr Haskins came from.
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Murphy		#6 Posted : 30 January 2009 11:31:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I have email from Marklin. 'Dear Mr Haskins, Thank you very much for your e-mail and your interest in our products. The next update for the Central Station 60213 will be available expected after the exhibition Nuremberg. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service' The next update comes after the Nuremberg exhibition?? [:(!] How about issueing a update bug fix as soon as it is available!<u></u>!! The question was a reasonable time frame, not to be met by the usual commercial crap language as an answer![V] John P.S. I do not have a CS2. But I reconise Bullsh-t when I smell it..
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steventrain		#7 Posted : 30 January 2009 15:31:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,701 Location: United Kingdom		John, I did send email to marklin, There is link to contact marklin. http://www.maerklin.com/en/contact.html Must have your Insider member number in 'Regarding:*' box.
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Murphy		#8 Posted : 02 February 2009 07:03:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: ,		Well, despite the fact that I run Marklin trains for nearly 40 years now, I am an “Outsider” rather than an “Insider”. So, I have to speculate out of this one, I suppose. (Which is good to obtain a clear view, though.) [8)] Let me just say this. I understand the huge difficulty Marklin is facing after the CS1 “by Esu” debacle. Marklin had to quit with Esu because the CS1 was not backward compatible, which was always a strong point of Marklin, and the quality left a lot to be desired too. Furthermore, Esu “forgot” to tell Marklin that actually the source code should be made available when building upon an Open Source system(Ecos) and that the Mfx boosters cannot run a synchronized voltage with the CS and other boosters which very seriously hampers the users of large layouts where trains crossing these booster intersections are the order of the day. All that has infuriated Marklin so much that they threw Esu out and completely started over again, additionally risking yet another not backward compatible CS2 compared with CS1! [xx(] Oh boy, they were mad alright! [:(!] However, the modern Marklin management has completely lost sight of what really “drives” (Marklin) train hobbyists and the company which programs the CS2 for them, in a unhealthy hurry, has not any wits at all. Hence, do not expect any proper functional CS2 for quite some years to come. [:(] I drive Marklin trains, yes, but I have chosen for an other Command Control Unit to drive them. Apparently, they do know what train hobbyists want...[:P] John
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laalves		#9 Posted : 02 February 2009 12:27:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Well, I myself am becoming also infuriated with all this and my expensive boosters being unuseable. If this next update brings in another stupid glitch, all this crap is going back to the dealer or to ebay and I will also choose another digital system altogether. Seing the vitality of ESU's offerings for 2009, the choice is pretty obvious.
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Frostie		#10 Posted : 02 February 2009 14:08:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Murphy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I have email from Marklin. 'Dear Mr Haskins, Thank you very much for your e-mail and your interest in our products. The next update for the Central Station 60213 will be available expected after the exhibition Nuremberg. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service' The next update comes after the Nuremberg exhibition?? [:(!] How about issueing a update bug fix as soon as it is available!<u></u>!! The question was a reasonable time frame, not to be met by the usual commercial crap language as an answer![V] John P.S. I do not have a CS2. But I reconise Bullsh-t when I smell it.. Maybe they are going to issue it when it is ready and tested ?? More winers and complainers and usual. No wonder so many people have left our forum. Steven gave us an update and all the children come out with their little whiny comments.
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Maxi		#11 Posted : 02 February 2009 15:16:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		It's amazing what comes out of a societu that wants everything now. What ever happened to wait and see while I play with wat I already have?
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Goofy		#12 Posted : 02 February 2009 19:38:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,289		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy Who is Mr."Hoskins"...? Mr Haskins is a well respected member of this forum... I´m sorry,but i mean Bob Hoskins the actor from England(?)... Goofy [:o)][:I]
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Murphy		#13 Posted : 02 February 2009 21:38:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: ,		No worries. [}:)] I'll stick to Marklin trains...BUT, Marklin has nowadays respect for their customers as a farmer has respect for his milking cows. Come on! Customers are not made of fine rubber, there comes an end of stretching our respect towards “The Empire” as well! [:(!] Making mistakes is one thing, since I also make mistakes(a lot), but covering it up is another matter. Year after year! [V] John
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TomB		#14 Posted : 03 February 2009 09:13:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		<u>Hello folkes !</u> I have been a märkliner for more than 50 years. And i still will be one for a long time. Now I am not very optimistic for the new Central Station 2. Will the programmers stick to Märklin?? Some of them are very new in the organisation. Märklin had a good start with the new central. The people seemed very good prepared with a well developed product. But we already had to face problems with the last updates. It seems very fundamental to have the boosters to work and also to have a protection for short circuits. It's a long time to wait months for a small update and it is a problem with the lack of information from Märklin. The story with central station 1 could be repeated ...... The users waiting for updates ........ Nothing appears .... ???? I hope and also believe that a solution of the finances will come. Probably with a new owner.
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pa-pauls		#15 Posted : 03 February 2009 10:26:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hello TomB and welcome to the forum
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steventrain		#16 Posted : 03 February 2009 10:48:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,701 Location: United Kingdom		Hi Tom, Welcome to the forum.
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TomB		#17 Posted : 03 February 2009 10:57:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		<u>Hi Pål and Steven.</u> Thank you !!
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mmrcnzjohn		#18 Posted : 03 February 2009 11:43:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		Tom could be right about the update. Toy fair is this weekend? so with Marklins now documented problems, the sooner it is out, the better it will be for those users of the CS2 John
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laalves		#19 Posted : 03 February 2009 16:51:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmrcnzjohn <br />Tom could be right about the update. Toy fair is this weekend? so with Marklins now documented problems, the sooner it is out, the better it will be for those users of the CS2 John Oh yes. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
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SierraDelta		#20 Posted : 03 February 2009 17:20:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 126 Location: Brussels, Belgium		At least - on a positive note - the Software-Updates download page has been modified yesterday evening. The CS2 manual is now available in a total of 10 languages: http://www.maerklin.de/d...ds/software_updates.html
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laalves		#21 Posted : 03 February 2009 17:38:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by SierraDelta <br />At least - on a positive note - the Software-Updates download page has been modified yesterday evening. The CS2 manual is now available in a total of 10 languages: http://www.maerklin.de/d...ds/software_updates.html Yep. The first time ever Märklin has published instructions of anything in Portuguese.
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laalves		#22 Posted : 03 February 2009 23:04:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves The first time ever Märklin has published instructions of anything in Portuguese. Surely not! I can imagine that it's the first time you have seen any instructions published by Märklin in Portugese; but they even sell products for quite a while already with instruction booklets in multiple languages (about 12 - actually in two separate booklets - including Portugese). I haven't seen any. Can you give me an example? My dealer has to translate the safety part to Portuguese himself to be able to comply with the law. He includes an A5 inside each loco box which do not contain any Portuguese instructions
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Davy		#23 Posted : 03 February 2009 23:29:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		May be it is Spanisch.
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Webmaster		#24 Posted : 03 February 2009 23:45:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy I´m sorry,but i mean Bob Hoskins the actor from England(?)... Goofy [:o)][:I] I only remember Jessica Rabbit from that movie... Sorry for this OT comment. If the toy fair is this/next week, I hope the update will will be published as scheduled. It's a bit worrying though to read in other topics that M management will not appear at the show - could it also affect the efforts on CS2 future?
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laalves		#25 Posted : 04 February 2009 02:29:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Interesting Lutz. That's a first to my eyes, but that is a starterset, and I haven't bought one in a few years... All my locos, including last year's new items, didn't come with Portuguese instructions.
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laalves		#26 Posted : 05 February 2009 01:23:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />Luis, I've recognized these multi language instructions (same language split) as well with other sets, like #29010, #29130, etc. The expanded instructions on the CS-II SW download page can be seen as an advance preparation for the upcoming update(s). It was originally planned to release the special booster and short circuit fix as stated end of pre-last/beginning of last week (should have been version 1.0.9.). However, this had to be withdrawn before it could be picked up by any "anonymous" customers not involved in the testing. The decision was then made to postpone and combine this "patch" with other update items on the list and release them together after shortly the toy fair. That's absolutely beautiful news, Lutz! BTW, today I saw my dealer receiving emails from his export manager at M, discussing "business as usual" stuff, like number of 100-unit packs of 2009 new items leaflets.
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TomB		#27 Posted : 10 February 2009 23:00:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		<u>Hi.</u> I am sorry to announce for you that it will be a very late delivery of the next update. I noticed the update was to come after the exhibition Nürnberg, but that was before the exibition. After the exhibition it is APRIL !! The Märklin people in Nürnberg was telling that: http://stummi.foren-city...33468,-cs-ii-update.html
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jonas_sthlm		#28 Posted : 10 February 2009 23:22:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 986 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Them must surely lick wounds after last update, my CS2 began to burn and now returns to M together with two booster, received a letter (in German) after three weeks, which tell me that it is under warranty hope it comes before Friday It's not funny when it has finished booting up and all the locomotive starts running at full speed [:0] very bad experience! Did not help pressing the stop button, so the only solution was to unplug the power cords [:(!] They should be glad that nothing is broke. Thanks Tomb of the information, seems that everything with CS2 is secret and speculation when M cannot pass anything through their own website. Is that good development?
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MarioFabro		#29 Posted : 10 February 2009 23:51:27(UTC) Retweet
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laalves		#30 Posted : 11 February 2009 01:03:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonas_sthlm <br />Them must surely lick wounds after last update, my CS2 began to burn and now returns to M together with two booster, received a letter (in German) after three weeks, which tell me that it is under warranty hope it comes before Friday It's not funny when it has finished booting up and all the locomotive starts running at full speed [:0] very bad experience! Did not help pressing the stop button, so the only solution was to unplug the power cords [:(!] They should be glad that nothing is broke. Thanks Tomb of the information, seems that everything with CS2 is secret and speculation when M cannot pass anything through their own website. Is that good development? That also happened to one of my boosters, even before 1.0.7(3) second version.
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Murphy		#31 Posted : 11 February 2009 02:19:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: ,		Guys, be realistic and face the facts. Marklin is completely broke. Marklin personnel have not been paid their salaries. Hence, NOBODY is working at priority level on the CS2 at this time. So an update ETA in April is not even speculation. Bligh me, it is pure fiction! Best guess would be after August, unless they are forced to scrap the CS2 line as a whole like they did on the CS1(although that was because of other reasons) Waiting is not what is required in this case. Praying is more likely! John
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mvd71		#32 Posted : 11 February 2009 10:24:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,934 Location: Auckland,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I gather that for people still on the "fence" on CS2.. it is better to wait till the new version comes out? Personally I'm not on the fence at all. I've played with someone else's CS2 and I like it, I think its a good controller. There will no doubt be a number of software updates as is the case with any computer software. The only thing that stops me from ordering one now, is that with our current exchange rate it works out to $1500 NZ. And that's just a little to much for me.
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Piper		#33 Posted : 11 February 2009 12:35:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 262 Location: Johannesburg		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Personally I'm not on the fence at all. I've played with someone else's CS2 and I like it, I think its a good controller. There will no doubt be a number of software updates as is the case with any computer software. The only thing that stops me from ordering one now, is that with our current exchange rate it works out to $1500 NZ. And that's just a little to much for me. Agree 110% it is so much better than CS1 & I'm glad I got bailed out by the "family sectratary of the treasury" or FD.
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davemr		#34 Posted : 11 February 2009 13:06:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		I like my CS2. I have the two updates from the Marklin website with no problems. I dont know anything about this other up date which appears to have problems. Where did this come from.
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Davy		#35 Posted : 11 February 2009 14:10:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Murphy <br />Guys, be realistic and face the facts. Marklin is completely broke. Marklin personnel have not been paid their salaries. Hence, NOBODY is working at priority level on the CS2 at this time. So an update ETA in April is not even speculation. Bligh me, it is pure fiction! Best guess would be after August, unless they are forced to scrap the CS2 line as a whole like they did on the CS1(although that was because of other reasons) Waiting is not what is required in this case. Praying is more likely! John There is money for three months salary.
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alonso231gery		#36 Posted : 11 February 2009 22:34:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Great news, instructions in greek. Lets hope they will produce a greek model as well.
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Murphy		#37 Posted : 12 February 2009 01:59:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: There is money for three months salary. Right, that might just be enough. However, the CS2 programming is outsourced. Therefor the outsourced party shall be confronted with the "insolvent" regulations. Meaning, they don't get theirs bills paid while they can't even complain about it. Hence, they'll stop working on the CS2 programming. Keep praying.. John
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Bigdaddynz		#38 Posted : 12 February 2009 07:04:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71 <br />The only thing that stops me from ordering one now, is that with our current exchange rate it works out to $1500 NZ. And that's just a little to much for me. Mike keep your CS1 and upgrade it to the ESU v3.0 update. Same or better functionality for less cost!
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mvd71		#39 Posted : 12 February 2009 08:33:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,934 Location: Auckland,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Mike keep your CS1 and upgrade it to the ESU v3.0 update. Same or better functionality for less cost! That would be nice, but I'm not interested in their power supply, only the software.
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supermoee		#40 Posted : 12 February 2009 11:31:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Same or better functionality for less cost! Hello, you already have it??? How you know?? kind regards Stephan
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davemr		#41 Posted : 12 February 2009 17:02:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Can somebody tell me where this info is coming from and where Marklin is giving the new date.
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TomB		#42 Posted : 12 February 2009 17:18:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		Walter Langenmeier was visiting the exhibition of Nürnberg the 10. february: Hallo, ich war heute nochmals auf der Messe. Kurz vor Messeschluss habe ich mich nocheinmal mit einem Mitarbeiter bezüglich des Updates der CS II unterhalten. Lt. seiner Aussage ist das Update für April (!!) vorgesehen. "Dann kann man DCC fahren und schalten!" Momentan werden noch "verschiedene Macken" beseitigt. Übrigens wurde die Messeanlage mit einer CS II gesteuert.
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steventrain		#43 Posted : 13 February 2009 22:11:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,701 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TomB <br /><u>Hi.</u> After the exhibition it is APRIL !! The Märklin people in Nürnberg was telling that: http://stummi.foren-city...33468,-cs-ii-update.html Thanks for the report, Tom.
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Murphy		#44 Posted : 15 February 2009 10:08:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: ,		I said praying, not dreaming.. John
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Goofy		#45 Posted : 15 February 2009 10:58:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,289		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Murphy <br />I said praying, not dreaming.. John Same anyway...! Goofy
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sudibarba		#46 Posted : 16 February 2009 04:12:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 880 Location: Augusta, GA USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Murphy <br />I said praying, not dreaming.. John Same anyway...! Goofy I know this is going to make certain people mad but I think it was criminal for Marklin to release a product knowing it was defective. I am not talking about features not available but the keyboard for example. No telling what else they knew was defective. Hopefully, it was Kingsbridge management, not the good folks at Marklin. I do not know what German laws are but usually European laws are tighter than in the USA. Have any laws been broken with such a release? Please don't tell me I am stupid - the keyboard is not excusible. It's not that important but it displays wrong intent. Eric
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Murphy		#47 Posted : 16 February 2009 09:51:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: ,		Eric, European lawsh-ts might look tighter but have considerable smaller teeth (fortunately!) than compared to the US. Basically, if a product delivers significantly different performance as was previously advertised(as is the case with the Viessmann Commander) then the consumer may demand its money back.[}:)] Secondly, if a product delivers its performance as was previously advertised with 'faults', regardless hardware and/or software(as is the case with the CS1, CS2 and Viessmann Commander with the Ecos a small bit into this danger zone), then it is residing under 'guarantee'. However, the manufacturer must provide a solution within a 'reasonable' time. Before a court of law this is actual a FEW MOUNTH only. After which the consumer may demand his money back also.[}:)] But here comes THE catch; if the manufacturer still exists..[xx(] I am not mad. Rather, I choose an other controlling system for my trains to begin with. John
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James		#48 Posted : 16 February 2009 16:24:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 384 Location: Alberta		John: How does the "But here comes THE catch; if the manufacturer still exists.." clause work regarding Marklin's current problems? I mean, if they are in "Insolvency" do they (technically speaking) still exist? And... if the parent company (Marklin) doesn't exist anymore, does this clause effect it subsidiaries (Walther's USA)? James B
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Piper		#49 Posted : 16 February 2009 18:18:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 262 Location: Johannesburg		Eric You cannot be serious, first off all do you own a CS2? I have 2 issues 1. The keyboard is faulty BUT it needs a tiny bit of common sense to get the right result & 2. It's a pity that the computer interface cannot use S88 feedbacks, hence the reluctance of RR & co and Win-digipet to add their interface to CS2. Now, apart from that its a great device, I'm glad I got mine in the nick of time & considering what happend in recent weeks I will buy it again anytime. If I want to use PC software I'll just use my CS1, no problem. I'm glad this company is in Germany and not USA. Look what happened to the general aviation industry in the 80's and early 90's where ridiculous lawsuits killed an industry. It took organizations like AOPA years of hard work, lobbying etc to get it back on track. I just wonder if one could do this with US to software companies how many of us would be participating on this great Forum. Read the IBM guarantee or Microsoft's or Apple's, they guarantee basically the disk will spin and nothing else, and you want to nail M, P'lease. So considering all of this and the effort that Marklin went through to fix ESU's BU's with CS1, I'll stick with Märklin. (Lutz, how's that for loyalty?)
		Era I-V / HO / C-Track / MS2, CS2 & CS3 Z gauge. Insider Member of Märklin Modellers Group
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sudibarba		#50 Posted : 16 February 2009 20:15:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 880 Location: Augusta, GA USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Piper <br />Eric You cannot be serious, first off all do you own a CS2? I have 2 issues 1. The keyboard is faulty BUT it needs a tiny bit of common sense to get the right result & 2. It's a pity that the computer interface cannot use S88 feedbacks, hence the reluctance of RR & co and Win-digipet to add their interface to CS2. Now, apart from that its a great device, I'm glad I got mine in the nick of time & considering what happend in recent weeks I will buy it again anytime. If I want to use PC software I'll just use my CS1, no problem. I'm glad this company is in Germany and not USA. Look what happened to the general aviation industry in the 80's and early 90's where ridiculous lawsuits killed an industry. It took organizations like AOPA years of hard work, lobbying etc to get it back on track. I just wonder if one could do this with US to software companies how many of us would be participating on this great Forum. Read the IBM guarantee or Microsoft's or Apple's, they guarantee basically the disk will spin and nothing else, and you want to nail M, P'lease. So considering all of this and the effort that Marklin went through to fix ESU's BU's with CS1, I'll stick with Märklin. (Lutz, how's that for loyalty?) Yes, I was not being completely serious. Yes, I have a CS2 I got as soon as it was available from Mike our fellow forum member. Yes, I know how to work around the keyboard except maybe the "z" (can't remember off hand). I also have an issue with difficulty in calling up the "everything" list consistantly as well as an issue with the pictogram for the F7 having changed to the Red Arrow. What I can't get over is that they released the keyboard as is knowing it. If you can't see the difference then we are operating in different realities, which is OK as we have that right. Eric
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