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davemr		#101 Posted : 22 April 2009 22:06:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		If it is not available today and now is the end of May they they have let me down badly. After all the delays if this firm goes bust then I for one will be happy to buy Brawa and HAG and forget about Marklin and their false statements. I have no time for this type of business and I am sure many will join me. It is time that Marklin understood that they need customers but customers do not need them. However they have until midnight .... and no DCC as well yet another failure.
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laalves		#102 Posted : 22 April 2009 23:06:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Given these developments, I have made a decision: CS1 is going to ebay, CS2 and 2 boosters are going to wait for the bug free update (if ever) and then will go to ebay also. Then I will buy an EcOS 3.0. Those are people that appear committed to their customer base. That's it with me, and I will definetely lean more towards Brawa regarding locos and rolling stock.
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davemr		#103 Posted : 23 April 2009 01:16:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		My view exactly Luis. We have supported Marklin and have been treated disgracefully. Brawa is more expensive than Marklin but their products are good and if you mail them they reply quickly with good English. There will be lots of CS1 and 2 on ebay maybe we should get in quick to get the best price.
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jeehring		#104 Posted : 23 April 2009 01:21:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Untill now Marklin official info always has been " Q2 " , without any specification of the date. Am i wrong ? Only forum members have given specific date.... And if it doesn't include DCC , there is some reason - possibly technical reasons ? In this case the hardware of 60314 will be probably different from the one of 60213 . may be This is my wild prognostications only , it is not an information . The best is to wait for official info from Marklin. We all know what's been happenning with Marklin for a few months , it may be not easy for a while to organize a long term communication
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davemr		#105 Posted : 23 April 2009 01:25:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Marklin replied to one of our members by email giving the date as the 22nd. They decided to make another version of the CS2 before correcting the problems of the first one. This shows a lack of ability and customer care. If anybody buys this firm lets hope they clear out the present management team the moment they walk through the door.
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jeehring		#106 Posted : 23 April 2009 01:35:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by davemr <br />Marklin replied to one of our members by email giving the date as the 22nd. Another member said " Q2 "...
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supermoee		#107 Posted : 23 April 2009 01:50:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, who said there will be no DCC support of the 60213? I have not read any statement of Märklin saying this. In the link of Stummi is mentioned that there will be 2 updates. the one will be for free, the second with full DCC support (like new 60214) will cost a fee. And this is a statement not made by Märklin. So why are you now already complaining about Märklin??? Based on rumours? I remember that rumours said some weeks ago that Märklin will stop development of digital system. Just another bull***** lets wait for the official statement before saying that Märklin is guilty rgds Stephan
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davemr		#108 Posted : 23 April 2009 02:03:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		I can only repeat that Marklins mail said 22nd April. I do not understand how any CS2 user can be happy that a new version is announced before the current version has the bugs corrected. This shows why the firm that I supported and enjoyed their products has gone bust and others who do support their customers .. ESU etc have not. As for official statements when do we ever get these and if we do what will it be worth. I do not wish to argue with other members and my views are really directed at Marklins announcement of a new version before correcting the old one. Maybe we should wait for 60215 or 216 before thay can build something that works. I have not read anything on Stummi only Marklins own site. If this update ever comes as Steven says dont update until several can confirm the update works.
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jeehring		#109 Posted : 23 April 2009 02:08:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />Hello, who said there will be no DCC support of the 60213? I have not read any statement of Märklin saying this. rgds Stephan I said possibly , probably , supputations , etc... Only questions or guess I agree with you , we have only to refer to serious info , or official info from Marklin . The web is also a big rumours machine....[V]
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jeehring		#110 Posted : 23 April 2009 02:13:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />Hello, I remember that rumours said some weeks ago that Märklin will stop development of digital system. Just another bull***** lets wait for the official statement before saying that Märklin is guilty rgds Stephan You are right Stephan absolutely, definitely !
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davemr		#111 Posted : 23 April 2009 02:15:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		I am afraid it is not a rumour. The new CS2 has been announced and there is no update for the first version available (DCC is another question altogether) it is the bugs in the CS2 that should have been fixed. I can only presume you are not an owner
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Bigdaddynz		#112 Posted : 23 April 2009 02:16:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />who said there will be no DCC support of the 60213? I have not read any statement of Märklin saying this. The only 'official' document I've seen was the Digital Newsletter from Dr Tom Catherall, which said that the next CS2 update would have DCC. Haven't seen anything else from Marklin to change that!
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hjmo08		#113 Posted : 23 April 2009 02:54:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: ,		Hi all, I have great news. I receive a few minutes ago a reply from Marklin Technical Hotline. There will be an upgrade software for 60213 very soon. This software upgrade for 60213 has been beta-tested for the past two months and put this CS2 with exactly the same features as 60214. Regards, Henrique Portugal
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alonso231gery		#114 Posted : 23 April 2009 03:00:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		So why they really changed the code?
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laalves		#115 Posted : 23 April 2009 03:08:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Henrique, I have been receiving replies from the Hotline saying "next week" since December, when I initially reported my two dead boosters to them. I don't believe in them anymore.
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hjmo08		#116 Posted : 23 April 2009 03:18:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: ,		Well, I do not know why they change the code. Probably for commercial reasons. This CS2 with new Catalog number is a new reference due to the adoption of DCC standard by Märklin. According to the reply from Märklin Technical Hotline, the version of software is the only difference between 60213 and 60214, i.e. it's the same hardware for both CSs codes. Regards, Henrique Portugal
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Bigdaddynz		#117 Posted : 23 April 2009 03:22:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Yeah, but why do we need 2 versions of the CS2?
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jonas_sthlm		#118 Posted : 23 April 2009 10:36:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 988 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Yes, it knows how to make money, twice, and the best is that all of us who have already purchased has sponsored the development for almost one year in advance, and in individual cases also had bear repartitions expenditure on transport. They also refuse to answer my normal email address so I have been needed to send the question with a different one. Even if they answer I never trust their reliability!!!!! That only show who uninterested they are to get the input from customers how has problem with device that’s burning up. What can you update with USB stick [:X] Oops! think what them can come up with these days ...... But WOW baby smell it burning? [B)] oh no it's just the smell of burned CS2 new for this year they celebrate 150years with knowledge..... you can order your own fire-extinguisher with Art No 60666 But darling, [:I] place hold my hand until CS2 has booted up clear so I don’t have a nervous breakdown when all locomotives starts in full speed, HELP HELP HELP Help help place turn OFF the POWER the STOP button doesn’t WORK [}:)]
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hjmo08		#119 Posted : 23 April 2009 11:27:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves <br />Henrique, I have been receiving replies from the Hotline saying "next week" since December, when I initially reported my two dead boosters to them. I don't believe in them anymore. Well, I want to continue to believe in Dr. Tom Catherall.... But only God knows the future... Henrique
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jonas_sthlm		#120 Posted : 23 April 2009 20:14:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 988 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		I received this reply today [xx(] Dear märklin customer, thanks for your question. The next softwareupdate for CS2 comes in the month may. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service
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steventrain		#121 Posted : 23 April 2009 20:46:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,704 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonas_sthlm <br />I received this reply today [xx(] Dear märklin customer, thanks for your question. The next softwareupdate for CS2 comes in the month may. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service Thanks for the note.[xx(]
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davemr		#122 Posted : 23 April 2009 22:04:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Jonas. I have received the exact same reply today. I wonder how many they sent.
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rene		#123 Posted : 26 April 2009 23:05:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 104 Location: st faustin, quebec		why are we getting so worked up maerklin is maerklin nothing ever gets done fast and reliable the first time around i just wait and wait and wait and some day we will get what we wantet and paid for if mot to bad for us all; that seems to be maerklins way of thinking .
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reh		#124 Posted : 27 April 2009 01:18:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: Køge,		Hey All I’ve just returned from intermodellbau in Dortmund, extrimely good. I visited Märklin and placed a few questions. 1. Is there going to be an update for CS2 (60213), and what will it include, and finally when will it be available. a. There will be an update soon within this month or beginning next month they have been very busy and didn’t have it final before the fair. Has been tested for the last 2 month. b. It will include all the features as the 60214 DCC, Loklist and other bugs fixes. 2. Why the new CS2 (60214) a. There is always a simple answer to a question that is also true in this case. It has been a huge success with CS2 and they had to start production again for 60213 and with the new update of DCC and other features they just made a new order No. and changed it 2 60214. Rene’
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pa-pauls		#125 Posted : 27 April 2009 02:10:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Sound's nice Thank's Rene'
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Goofy		#126 Posted : 27 April 2009 15:08:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,290		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hjmo08 Well, I want to continue to believe in Dr. Tom Catherall.... But only God knows the future... Henrique There is no future,because the future is not writing yet...! To believe future,is only humans fantasy in the mind. GOD...??? If there is GOD,then in case who did created GOD...??? Anyway,this update 22/4 has NOT BEEN COMPLETED,because Marklin has some still problems with economy by trying update CS2. So next update will been at May,which Steventrain did get information. I´m not surprised to see results from Marklin. I´m glad,that i didn´t bought CS2...! Only trouble from Marklin so far... This update from 22/4,what was it anyway...???
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laalves		#127 Posted : 27 April 2009 16:36:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by reh b. It will include all the features as the 60214 DCC, Loklist and other bugs. Hi René, from the information I have this update should contain bug fixes; i.e. less bugs - unless DCC is interpreted itself as being a big "bug". Hi Lutz, Do you mean that DCC support, as included in 1.0.7(2), 1.0.7(3.1) and 1.0.7(3.2) will be removed in the coming May update?
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pa-pauls		#128 Posted : 27 April 2009 18:08:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich unless DCC is interpreted itself as being a big "bug". Indeed !
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jonas_sthlm		#129 Posted : 27 April 2009 18:47:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 988 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		Dear Mr. thanks for your question. The new update for the central station 60213 will be publish in June. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service I give up [:(!]
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Goofy		#130 Posted : 27 April 2009 19:06:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,290		What...? In June...? Terrible...!
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jeehring		#131 Posted : 27 April 2009 19:09:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Only in case a subcontractor is involved, the choice of the date may be under control of Mr Pluta... ( we should ask him ) I would not be surprised if they did it in two times. Two updates : one for bugs fixed , another one for full implementation of DCC... Only my guess , not an info.
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davemr		#132 Posted : 27 April 2009 19:27:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Now June. What happened to May. This is becoming comical. Surely there is somebody at the factory who can arrange an update for a toy train controller and then communicate with customers as to when it will be available. This may be my only complaint with Marklin but it really does make me wonder if there is any long term future for the firm in its present form. This Pluta fellow does look more like Pluto everyday. Please can somebody run my favourite Model Railway firm who understands customer relations.
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jeehring		#133 Posted : 27 April 2009 19:43:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by davemr <br /> Surely there is somebody at the factory who can arrange an update for a toy train controller and then communicate with customers as to when it will be available. I think so. You know ,it seems they are cutting employs in communication department, as well. It's only a matter of communication. (For any decision , or any annoucement they probably have to wait a green light from Mr Pluta - Actually , it must be not so easy for them)
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jeehring		#134 Posted : 27 April 2009 20:05:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		ESU is not doing better. Dates of deliveries have been changed or postponed many times.
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RayF		#135 Posted : 27 April 2009 21:17:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		It's a difficult time for everybody.
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steventrain		#136 Posted : 27 April 2009 23:05:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,704 Location: United Kingdom		Yeah, Another waiting.[xx(]
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rene		#137 Posted : 28 April 2009 01:34:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 104 Location: st faustin, quebec		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeehring <br />ESU is not doing better. Dates of deliveries have been changed or postponed many times. one day it will be all fixed and we all be happy lucky us
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PeterG		#138 Posted : 28 April 2009 04:05:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/07/2008(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Sydney,		Incidentally, you can't even buy a 60213 straight from Marklin at the moment - Its gone to "yellow light" on their website. Unfortunately for me, ETS are temporarily out of stock too:-(
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RayF		#139 Posted : 28 April 2009 14:57:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Yes, it looks like the 60213 has already been replaced by the 60214, except that it's not yet available.
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Goofy		#140 Posted : 28 April 2009 15:12:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,290		To august will this CS2 60214 been delivery out. But the question is,if this CS2 will become totally upgrade and nothing anymore time...?
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rbw993		#141 Posted : 29 April 2009 05:56:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,061		I decided to do my own update. With the keyboard and mouse you can avoid using the CS2 touch screen keyboards. In my opinion much easier. The stylus is good for some things but sometimes a mouse is better. (Thank you Dr. Tom) I built this out of scrap wood left over from other projects. The Guiness solves all problems. Roger Side view Operator's view
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sudibarba		#142 Posted : 29 April 2009 06:15:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 880 Location: Augusta, GA USA		You are not saying that attaching a keyboard overcomes the English keyboard issues are you? I have not tried. Eric
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rbw993		#143 Posted : 29 April 2009 06:21:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,061		Yes it does Eric. My Danzas 460 is spelled correctly. I got the USB keyboard at Staples for $15. Roger
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Drongo		#144 Posted : 29 April 2009 11:43:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,256 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi Roger, Very interesting that a standard keyboard and mouse can solve the issue. This make me think that the whole situation about having a central station can be substituted with a standard PC and software. I think we have been trcked into thinking that a central station is compulsory to run our trains, whereas, it's the software that we need to buy. [:(!] I have been dealing with German companies for over 40 years and the one aspect they have is efficiency, however, it looks as though this important characteristic feature in Marklin has gone. They are becoming like the rest of the world - lazy and uninterested in their jobs. Pity. The rumour that is spreading around my neck of the woods, is that the CS2 60213 has been stopped in production and the 60214 is the substitute - you cannot order the "old" CS2.
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RayF		#145 Posted : 29 April 2009 12:09:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by youngagain The rumour that is spreading around my neck of the woods, is that the CS2 60213 has been stopped in production and the 60214 is the substitute - you cannot order the "old" CS2. This is quite logical to me. Why would they keep the previous version in production when there is a new version out? This is true for all manufacturers of all kinds of goods, not just Marklin. This does not mean that the previous version is not supported.
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jeehring		#146 Posted : 29 April 2009 13:45:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by youngagain <br />Hi Roger, Very interesting that a standard keyboard and mouse can solve the issue. This make me think that the whole situation about having a central station can be substituted with a standard PC and software. I think we have been trcked into thinking that a central station is compulsory to run our trains, whereas, it's the software that we need to buy. [:(!] CS2 = all in one, computer including a train-controler with booster.( and touch screen) BTW , One thing wich seems unconfortable to me with many other controlers is that the link between controler and PC is not fully bidirectionnal .With a unique "all in one" PC-controller, this problem disappears. I like to turns those big red buttons while starring at the trains...instead of doing "click click " starring at PC screen. However , for programming, and settings, mouse + external keyboard may be very useful..
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PeterG		#147 Posted : 29 April 2009 13:51:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/07/2008(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Sydney,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by youngagain The rumour that is spreading around my neck of the woods, is that the CS2 60213 has been stopped in production and the 60214 is the substitute - you cannot order the "old" CS2. This is quite logical to me. Why would they keep the previous version in production when there is a new version out? This is true for all manufacturers of all kinds of goods, not just Marklin. This does not mean that the previous version is not supported. However, it does mean that there is no high-end controller on the market at all for the next three months! I put in my order for a 60213 at ETS a fortnight ago, before the 60214 was announced, and now I've been left high and dry!
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Bigdaddynz		#148 Posted : 29 April 2009 14:23:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		That's the luck of the draw I guess, Peter. I ordered my Big Boy from ETS 2 months ago, but they will not be available until July, so that leaves me without a BB for 5 months. I could have ordered from an eBay dealer and got it sooner (a friend did exactly that), but that is the luck of the draw for me! I'm sure Marklin will supply a 60214 for you, but I guess, like me, you may have to wait a while.
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PeterG		#149 Posted : 29 April 2009 14:36:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/07/2008(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Sydney,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />That's the luck of the draw I guess, Peter. I ordered my Big Boy from ETS 2 months ago, but they will not be available until July, so that leaves me without a BB for 5 months. I could have ordered from an eBay dealer and got it sooner (a friend did exactly that), but that is the luck of the draw for me! I'm sure Marklin will supply a 60214 for you, but I guess, like me, you may have to wait a while. Yeah BigD, c'est la vie:-) I'd really be exaggerating if I said it was urgent anyway. My guess is that it'll have to cost a bit more - RRP is 50Euros more. Can't complain really - got the 37786 ICE set from ETS for 370Euros which I think is a steal:-) The extra wait for your BigBoy will also make it feel more like a nice surprise when it does eventually turn up anyway - Today an issue of MaerklinMagazin turned up in the mail which I ordered well over two months ago and thought it had been lost forever.
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john black		#150 Posted : 29 April 2009 14:38:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by davemr <br />We have supported Marklin and have been treated disgracefully. Right, my friend. As you say - HAG and BRAWA is our way to go If it must be MARKLINS do it like I do and buy the classic stuff from M's good times. That way you support - yourself [}:)][^]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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