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Offline Roman  
#1 Posted : 19 June 2021 05:26:19(UTC)
Roman

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Hello all,
I have a modest collection of O scale that I would like to identify and keep a record of. The locomotive in question is shown below. It doesn't have a number that I can see on it but does have the Marklin signet embossed on the front but a Made By Lionel placard between the two spoon sliders at the center. Any help in identifying this is appreciated.

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Offline cookee_nz  
#2 Posted : 19 June 2021 10:24:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Hello all,
I have a modest collection of O scale that I would like to identify and keep a record of. The locomotive in question is shown below. It doesn't have a number that I can see on it but does have the Marklin signet embossed on the front but a Made By Lionel placard between the two spoon sliders at the center. Any help in identifying this is appreciated.



Hi Roman,

Some additional photos would be really helpful - front, top, both sides, underneath, Loco & Tender, otherwise it's a lot of guesswork to narrow it down

Cheers
Cookee
Wellington
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#3 Posted : 19 June 2021 12:04:47(UTC)
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Hi Roman

I am far from being a specialist in Märklin O Gauge.
Looking in the catalogues I have, the closest is in catalogue 1934 / 1935 under the reference GR66 12920
But there are differences:
- the loco in Black and not Grey
- all driving wheels are flanged (unlike yours)
- there are 2 bottom headlight instead of 3 on your loco
- the tender has 3 axles instead of 2 on yours
- the typical Märklin motor does not show on your model

Here is the catalogue picture

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The Märklin loco comes with a connection for illuminating the coaches, illuminated cabin, total length of 40 cm.
So the loco has clearly a match but it looks like a reproduction by another company (Lionel?) with interpretations
Look this ad for more pictures https://www.ebay.de/itm/33356057...27172:g:0D0AAOSwKW5efzYi
Just my opinion
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Jean
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Offline Roman  
#4 Posted : 19 June 2021 17:52:07(UTC)
Roman

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Thank you very much. I appreciate your time and reply. I have a few more pics of it and maybe I am mislead by the contradicting embossed signet and label. My other guess is that someone rebuilt it in the past and used Lionel rollers instead of original spoon sliders.

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Offline cookee_nz  
#5 Posted : 20 June 2021 07:43:43(UTC)
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It seems to be a bit of a Hybrid.

There are two other differences I noted. Your Loco has only two 'domes' on the boiler whereas many of the Märklin examples I was able to find in any catalogues through the 1920's / 1930's are either a single dome, or three, but there are some two-dome models such as this E66/12920 4-4-0 example which is close...

http://www.dakotapaul.co...ms/showitem.asp?iid=3107

The other notable thing is that almost without exception, the motor brush holders on Märklin models are on the left side (looking from the Cab)

BUT, that is unmistakably the Märklin Bicycle Logo on the front, and the Loco does have a 'sort-of' Märklin look to it, more-so in some areas than others. The soldering and painting are not quite as distinct as I would expect and this may lead toward perhaps a hand-crafted model?

You didn't add any images of the Tender, that's as much a part of the Loco as the Loco itself, especially for things like the coupling, wheels etc.

Certainly a bit of an enigma
Cookee
Wellington
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Offline rbw993  
#6 Posted : 20 June 2021 13:35:23(UTC)
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It looks to me like someone mounted a Lionel 6 wheel motor in a Marklin body. I used to collect Lionel and had many steamers with that motor.

Roger
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Offline Roman  
#7 Posted : 21 June 2021 08:02:21(UTC)
Roman

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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
It looks to me like someone mounted a Lionel 6 wheel motor in a Marklin body. I used to collect Lionel and had many steamers with that motor.

Roger


I could see that as a possibility. I will take some photos of the tender this weekend. Thanks for the replies and it is rather unique in appearance. I have a mix of O scale euro manufactured items and this one is the only rolling stock I couldn't pin down to a model number along with a few layout accessories.
Roman
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#8 Posted : 21 June 2021 19:39:03(UTC)
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Looks like a lionel chassis on all counts, but wheels painted red
FS + SBB Era 2-5 and Vintage Marklin
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Offline Roman  
#9 Posted : 22 June 2021 07:42:52(UTC)
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I have a hunch that it was one of dad's friends that created this. Maybe someone will see this in passing and verify it.
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#10 Posted : 22 June 2021 18:18:57(UTC)
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At a second look I have a few chassis/motor doubts. But naturally that is a lionel pickup assembly
FS + SBB Era 2-5 and Vintage Marklin
Offline rbw993  
#11 Posted : 22 June 2021 18:32:17(UTC)
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It should be easy to prove. Does it have a three position reverse unit. Also could drop the motor out.
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