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Offline Schnickie  
#1 Posted : 17 February 2021 12:32:58(UTC)
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Hello,

I have a Blue 'Marklin Super 208' transformer (analogue) and it has stopped working. I was wondering if there were any more modern transformers available that work for analogue trains, track etc. ???

Also , If possible , a transformer with direction change would be ideal for getting trains into the loco shed.

Anyway, let me know if you are aware of any more modern alternatives for analogue transformer - with direction change or not!


Thanks BigGrin



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Offline marklin81  
#2 Posted : 17 February 2021 13:21:55(UTC)
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Marklin 6647 is the latest analog 230 Volt transformer.
Offline Schnickie  
#3 Posted : 17 February 2021 13:27:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklin81 Go to Quoted Post
Marklin 6647 is the latest analog 230 Volt transformer.



Thanks. Does this have direction change?
Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 17 February 2021 14:03:08(UTC)
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Marklin 6647 is the latest analog 230 Volt transformer.
You missed 66470 and 66471. The latter is still available at the factory.
66471

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Offline Michael4  
#5 Posted : 17 February 2021 14:37:47(UTC)
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No connection with vendor or anything

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i...a092a:g:-WEAAOSwMDJgKAuV
Offline rrf  
#6 Posted : 17 February 2021 15:26:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Schnickie Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklin81 Go to Quoted Post
Marklin 6647 is the latest analog 230 Volt transformer.

Thanks. Does this have direction change?

Yes, all Märklin transformers for HO support traditional direction change by turning the velocity knob to the left, passed zero.

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Offline Schnickie  
#7 Posted : 18 February 2021 10:59:59(UTC)
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Hello, I have a Märklin HO train set (analogue) and the three transformers have stopped working. Does anyone know any universal transformers that are compatible that are cheaper to an the more modern märklin transformer which is £110 ?!?!?!

Thanks
Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 18 February 2021 13:25:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Schnickie Go to Quoted Post
Hello, I have a Märklin HO train set (analogue) and the three transformers have stopped working. Does anyone know any universal transformers that are compatible that are cheaper to an the more modern märklin transformer which is £110 ?!?!?!

Thanks

In this case keep it away from children and don't use them or try to fix them, look on ebay.de and see if you find any more recent transformers, it is against the law to sell old Märklin transformers in Germany because of their safety risks

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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 18 February 2021 13:32:12(UTC)
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[...] it is against the law to sell old Märklin transformers in Germany because of their safety risks
Which law?
I never heard that before.

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Offline Purellum  
#10 Posted : 18 February 2021 17:10:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Schnickie Go to Quoted Post
the three transformers have stopped working


All three at the same time???

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Offline Goofy  
#11 Posted : 18 February 2021 17:17:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Originally Posted by: Schnickie Go to Quoted Post
the three transformers have stopped working


All three at the same time???

Per.



TS mean 3 rail transformer.
The Three transformer is a nickname for the transformer for the three rail.

Offline Goofy  
#12 Posted : 18 February 2021 17:19:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Schnickie Go to Quoted Post
Hello, I have a Märklin HO train set (analogue) and the three transformers have stopped working. Does anyone know any universal transformers that are compatible that are cheaper to an the more modern märklin transformer which is £110 ?!?!?!

Thanks


I recommended you stay with Märklin transformer if you drive Märklin analog locomotives.
If not less you decides to digital which are more fun to play.
Offline Michael4  
#13 Posted : 18 February 2021 17:31:00(UTC)
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I think this is your second post on this topic?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i...a092a:g:-WEAAOSwMDJgKAuV

Currently ten quid, OK so not guaranteed...
Offline Purellum  
#14 Posted : 18 February 2021 18:53:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
The Three transformer is a nickname for the transformer for the three rail.


That's new to me, and Schnickie wrote "the three transformers" which suggests more than one........... BigGrin

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Offline Purellum  
#15 Posted : 18 February 2021 23:28:37(UTC)
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Okay children, settle down. We can agree that there is at least one analogue transformer that has failed. Let's help this guy to find at least one transformer at a reasonable price..


Well, I honestly thought we were talking about three transformers, apparently failing at the same time, hence my question.

If that was the case, I suspected something else to be the problem, and thus not needing a new transformer.

I have several 6647s; but shipping to UK after Brexit involves custom charges etc.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#16 Posted : 18 February 2021 23:47:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Well, I honestly thought we were talking about three transformers, apparently failing at the same time, hence my question.


As did I when I read this thread. Goofy's 'T3' comment was confusing (never heard that particular term in this part of the world before) and didn't really add anything to the answer to the OP's question.

As has been mentioned, a 6647 transformer is probably your best bet for a replacement. eBay may be a source or perhaps any local Marklin Clubs (if they exist in the UK) or second hand source.

As a point of interest, what type were the transformers that failed? They could be repairable but this needs to be done by a registered electrician who knows how to properly service them.
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Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#17 Posted : 19 February 2021 00:00:04(UTC)
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I see often offers on 6647 transformers in Catawiki, for instance this is a currently ongoing auction of two units. If you need several, this may be a good option, provided that Brexit is not a showstopper.
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Offline cookee_nz  
#18 Posted : 19 February 2021 01:41:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael4 Go to Quoted Post
I think this is your second post on this topic?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i...a092a:g:-WEAAOSwMDJgKAuV

Currently ten quid, OK so not guaranteed...


Yes, the previous posting was much more specific...

"I have a Blue 'Marklin Super 208' transformer (analogue) and it has stopped working. I was wondering if there were any more modern transformers available that work for analogue trains, track etc. ???"


But he's a new member probably still finding his way around the forum and we're a helpful gracious lot here BigGrin
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#19 Posted : 19 February 2021 02:49:24(UTC)
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I shall merge both threads then!
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Offline Schnickie  
#20 Posted : 19 February 2021 08:19:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä Go to Quoted Post
I see often offers on 6647 transformers in Catawiki, for instance this is a currently ongoing auction of two units. If you need several, this may be a good option, provided that Brexit is not a showstopper.


Thanks I’ll have a look
Offline Schnickie  
#21 Posted : 19 February 2021 09:25:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Okay children, settle down. We can agree that there is at least one analogue transformer that has failed. Let's help this guy to find at least one transformer at a reasonable price..


Well, I honestly thought we were talking about three transformers, apparently failing at the same time, hence my question.

If that was the case, I suspected something else to be the problem, and thus not needing a new transformer.

I have several 6647s; but shipping to UK after Brexit involves custom charges etc.

Per.

Cool



How much do you charge for 1 white trabsformer - including postage to the uk?? Also where would pickup be ??

Offline Rwill  
#22 Posted : 19 February 2021 10:22:01(UTC)
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I am totally perplexed at the myths that are developing about post Brexit Marklin.

Firstly agreed the transformer 66471 falls into the yellow dot category with both Gaugemaster and MSL. Its out of stock at both!

So you can preorder from GM at £105 plus £2.5 delivery. If it fails like the last three GM will suggest you sent it back to Germany to repair under warranty at your cost. They have never heard of the Sale of Goods Act 1896 and the only electronics they understand is the cash register.

So hook onto the likes of MSL or others A 66471 is showing (with the easy to join customer club) at 89 Euros. MSL will take of the German Vat and charge your PayPal 86 Euros including DHL delivery which equate to about £77. DElivery is pretty good and so far for small amounts English Vat is not being added but that could change. If you do have problems MSL are brilliant and their English is as good as mine
Offline Purellum  
#23 Posted : 19 February 2021 14:10:20(UTC)
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How much do you charge for 1 white trabsformer - including postage to the uk??


The trafo would be 30£ and the postage the same, so we are talking 60£ without import charges................. Crying

You should bid 40 - 50 £ on this one instead, that would be much cheaper - you might get it for 20 or 30£:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i...a092a:g:-WEAAOSwMDJgKAuV

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Offline Michael4  
#24 Posted : 19 February 2021 15:54:29(UTC)
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...which is the same one that I've mentioned before.

They seem to sell for around £25 in the UK, some as new in boxes.
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#25 Posted : 19 February 2021 18:28:29(UTC)
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...which is the same one that I've mentioned before.


Yes, I can see that on the last letters in your link; but for some strange reason I get to an Ebay error page when I try to click on it Cool

I tested and tried several times before I posted my link to the same transformer, and I don't know why; but my link works Blink

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Offline Mr. Ron  
#26 Posted : 19 February 2021 19:52:33(UTC)
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It would seem to me that any transformer that can provide 0-18V, can be used. Why does it have to be Marklin? You could use a Lionel, LGB, etc transformer.
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#27 Posted : 19 February 2021 20:32:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: Schnickie Go to Quoted Post
the three transformers have stopped working


All three at the same time???

Per.

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Yes that’s what happened . One started smoking then a few days later the other 2 totally conked out !!!

Offline rbw993  
#28 Posted : 19 February 2021 20:47:14(UTC)
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Mr Ron. Those other transformers won't trigger the reversing switch. The lok will only got in one direction.
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#29 Posted : 19 February 2021 21:31:52(UTC)
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There is this transformer on eBay.uk at the moment that would be entirely suitable for what you want. Price is currently sensible and not too far from you so you probably pick it up.

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#30 Posted : 20 February 2021 08:47:49(UTC)
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There is this transformer on eBay.uk at the moment that would be entirely suitable for what you want. Price is currently sensible and not too far from you so you probably pick it up.





Thanks and I’ll take a look at that !

There's that blue text you're using again (which I've removed from the above quote)! Once again please do not use it ever - it is reserved for moderator use only and last time I looked you aint a moderator! Sorry to be so blunt, but you ignored my previous comment about this!
Offline Mr. Ron  
#31 Posted : 20 February 2021 20:45:26(UTC)
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Mr Ron. Those other transformers won't trigger the reversing switch. The lok will only got in one direction.
Yes, I'm aware of the reversing issue. I have in the past wired up a momentary contact switch which enables reversing.

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#32 Posted : 26 April 2021 10:16:27(UTC)
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Hi.... As I review, Marklin utilizes a higher voltage beat (around 20v?) to enact the converse unit. Lionel utilizes power interference to actuate the E-units. So Marklin trains will not have the option to adjust course utilizing a Lionel transformer.
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#33 Posted : 26 April 2021 10:40:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrodVictor Go to Quoted Post
As I review, Marklin utilizes a higher voltage beat (around 20v?) to enact the converse unit.
The nominal reversing voltage is 24 V on many transformers, 23 V on some.

With a bridge rectifier and a buffering capacitor you can get 22 V DC from 16 V AC. So maybe reversing the direction is possible with just a few extra components. AFAIK the Märklin 6600 uses the same trick.
So reversing cannot be done with a Lionel transformer "out of the box", but this can be added. This may not work with some digital locomotives.
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#34 Posted : 26 April 2021 20:45:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
The Three transformer is a nickname for the transformer for the three rail.


That's new to me, and Schnickie wrote "the three transformers" which suggests more than one........... BigGrin

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Please stop treating others like children. (Whoever added that blue bit at the bottom I’m talking to!Stop it please

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#35 Posted : 26 April 2021 23:18:44(UTC)
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Whoever added that blue bit at the bottom I’m talking to!
The blue text is from a moderator.
Is Goofy on the right track or on the wrong track?
Early feedback would have prevented the discussing from derailing. (Puns intended.)
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#36 Posted : 27 April 2021 03:55:20(UTC)
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Please stop treating others like children. (Whoever added that blue bit at the bottom I’m talking to!


As H0 points out, that's a Moderator talking issuing an instruction into a thread for everyone else including you to take notice of, something Moderators of this forum have every right to do. I think we've had this discussion before with regards to the blue text

Originally Posted by: Schnickie Go to Quoted Post
Stop it please


I don't think you've have the right to tell a forum Moderator what to do especially when they are doing their job...... When you joined this forum you agreed to the terms and conditions set by the Owner of this forum one of which was to abide by all Moderator decisions, and that Moderators have the right to delete and or edit posts as they see fit.
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Offline David Dewar  
#37 Posted : 27 April 2021 11:31:54(UTC)
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Model rail is not a cheap hobby. While it is important to not overspend I would suggest that cash should be spent on a new transformer which will last for years and is safe to use.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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#38 Posted : 27 April 2021 20:41:34(UTC)
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Does a Marklin black on white trafo to match the 6021 control have an internal fuse? It wasn't cheap, and somehow I burned it out.
It's a USA for 110-120 volts. I had it connected a while with red c track insulators between it and a Delta control box as a booster with a big blue trafo from starter set 2916.
I wired it per the Insider issue instructions back when my 37780 ICE 3 5 car unit train was new. It is long, and may have double connected power between the two trafos. as a result of a front and rear slider. A recipe for disaster, no? I've read that the red c track insulators are not always fail safe. The train is fine.
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#39 Posted : 30 April 2021 02:35:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrodVictor Go to Quoted Post
Hi.... As I review, Marklin utilizes a higher voltage beat (around 20v?) to enact the converse unit. Lionel utilizes power interference to actuate the E-units. So Marklin trains will not have the option to adjust course utilizing a Lionel transformer.

As I recall, (it has been 20+ years since I did this) I used a Bachman transformer from a G scale set and wired it with a wall light dimmer switch. This provided me with a higher voltage for reversing. To do the same today, I would have to do some fiddling around to duplicate the outcome.

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