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Offline PeterF7  
#1 Posted : 07 October 2020 00:26:31(UTC)
PeterF7

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I purchased the Marklin UP Passenger Car set, #43617. I have thought about adding an Observation Car.
The color of the Marklin set that arrived has more of an orange color compared
to the color of other car sets including the cars on the Marklin site:
https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/43617

UPpassengerMarklinSite.JPG

Here is a picture of what arrived:

UPpassengerMarklin.JPG

Here is a picture from the Union Pacific site at:
https://www.up.com/cs/gr...vedocs/pdf_columbine.pdf

UPpassengercarUPsite.jpg

From the Marklin site picture, the car's color is a bright Canary Yellow.
What arrived was more of a brownish yellow
The picture from the UP web site is more of a bright Canary Yellow.

When I go online to look at the various UP Observation Car offereings, I see both colors.

Has anyone else under gone this experience? If so, what are your recommendations?

Peter
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Offline foumaro  
#2 Posted : 07 October 2020 04:54:18(UTC)
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You are right,the color is exactly that you describe to us,it is different from the colors from F7 37629 and 37610-49610 Alco.I would like to have some more cars too but i will not buy something not marklin.If the set sales are good for marklin maybe they think to offer us an additional set.ThumpUp
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Offline mbarreto  
#3 Posted : 07 October 2020 18:11:06(UTC)
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I have the new set too and although it is brownish yellow it looks very good close to a Big-Boy (in my case 37993).
It's a bit different from the train that ran in 2019, but it looks great nevertheless.

Regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline PeterF7  
#4 Posted : 07 October 2020 18:48:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
You are right,the color is exactly that you describe to us,it is different from the colors from F7 37629 and 37610-49610 Alco.I would like to have some more cars too but i will not buy something not marklin.If the set sales are good for marklin maybe they think to offer us an additional set.ThumpUp


I've have taken side by side pictures of several of the Marklin UP diesel engines and passenger car set. They are the 37610 (and 49610) (PA1's), 37629 (F7 AAB w/ caboose), 40631 (B-Unit #910), and 43617 (passenger set). I shrunk the pictures so as not to take up too much bandwidth. The diesels and cars are beautiful.

UPpassColors.JPG

UPpassPA1.JPG

I can see running the passenger cars with steam and the diesels with freight. I would have loved to run the diesels with the passenger cars ala this picture:

UPpassTrain.png

all one uniform color.
Offline foumaro  
#5 Posted : 08 October 2020 08:53:04(UTC)
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This is a perfect option to run with the train and the steamers like Challengers or Big Boys.I asked the manufacturer and told me that is not compatible with marklin c tracks.If i find a way to change wheels or something and make it run with my locomotives i will try to have it.
https://www.scaletrains....e-2006-water-tender-set/
Offline hxmiesa  
#6 Posted : 09 October 2020 06:49:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post
I shrunk the pictures so as not to take up too much bandwidth.

I believe this is done automagically by the forum software, unless you are talking about your own bandwidth for uploading...

Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline grnwtrs  
#7 Posted : 11 October 2020 05:42:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
You are right,the color is exactly that you describe to us,it is different from the colors from F7 37629 and 37610-49610 Alco.I would like to have some more cars too but i will not buy something not marklin.If the set sales are good for marklin maybe they think to offer us an additional set.ThumpUp


You are absolutely correct!! I really don't like the set. Period. This is the second set I have. I had planned to run it with the Alco's . Not yet not now.

By the way. I don't remember seeing this type of car running up Weber canyon (UT) behind the Big Boy.

Regards, geneBigGrin
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Offline foumaro  
#8 Posted : 11 October 2020 05:51:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: grnwtrs Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
You are right,the color is exactly that you describe to us,it is different from the colors from F7 37629 and 37610-49610 Alco.I would like to have some more cars too but i will not buy something not marklin.If the set sales are good for marklin maybe they think to offer us an additional set.ThumpUp


You are absolutely correct!! I really don't like the set. Period. This is the second set I have. I had planned to run it with the Alco's . Not yet not now.

By the way. I don't remember seeing this type of car running up Weber canyon (UT) behind the Big Boy.

Regards, geneBigGrin
.


What it your opinion about the tank car i am writing to the post 5 above?
Offline dickinsonj  
#9 Posted : 27 March 2021 15:38:00(UTC)
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I have the 43617 coaches but not any other UP streamliner coaches. I was considering getting the 37629 F7 set to run with them but I am concerned about a bad color match between those newer coaches and that older loco set. I would be ordering the locos online and I won't be able to actually see them unless I buy them.

Is that the consensus here, that the Amour Yellow is different between the two? And if so, is it slightly different or a lot different? I see pictures online where the color of the locos looks a lot like the coaches but other pictures where the locos look much more yellow and less orange.

Any and all input would be appreciated. ThumpUp

Thanks.


Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline foumaro  
#10 Posted : 27 March 2021 16:08:48(UTC)
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Who said that the color must be the same?Buy the loco,they are perfect with the F7,they are perfect with the Alco,they are perfect with the Big Boy,they are perfect with Challenger.LOL ThumpUp Love
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Offline PeterF7  
#11 Posted : 27 March 2021 16:27:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Who said that the color must be the same?Buy the loco,they are perfect with the F7,they are perfect with the Alco,they are perfect with the Big Boy,they are perfect with Challenger.LOL ThumpUp Love


Maybe a change in attitude **is** warranted by me but seeing pictures of an UP train with F7's and passenger cars all matching is hard to get over.

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Offline dickinsonj  
#12 Posted : 27 March 2021 17:43:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Who said that the color must be the same?

Excellent point. One of the main things that make our models different from the real thing is how clean and uniform the model colors are, when that was often not the case with the real trains.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline dickinsonj  
#13 Posted : 27 March 2021 17:52:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeterF7 Go to Quoted Post
Maybe a change in attitude **is** warranted by me but seeing pictures of an UP train with F7's and passenger cars all matching is hard to get over.


UP puts together beautiful business and excursion trains, there is no doubt of that. They have preserved some great vintage equipment and it is very well maintained, so when you see their F7's pulling their coaches they almost always match perfectly. But in real life the locos and the coaches would be repainted as needed and it definitely was not the case that they all matched, like the preserved UP equipment does today.

Being more accepting of natural color variations is something that I need an attitude adjustment for as well. BigGrin

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline Alsterstreek  
#14 Posted : 27 March 2021 22:29:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
UP ... so when you see their F7's pulling their coaches ...
Ahm, isn’t UP employing an E-9 set - see link?

https://www.up.com/herit...t/streamliners/index.htm

Anywho, here is a videoclip by a Stummiforum member of Märklin UP Alco PAs and EMD F7Bs hauling the new UP passenger train by Märklin, where one can study the 50 shades of armour yellow paint:

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Offline grnwtrs  
#15 Posted : 27 March 2021 22:46:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: grnwtrs Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
You are right,the color is exactly that you describe to us,it is different from the colors from F7 37629 and 37610-49610 Alco.I would like to have some more cars too but i will not buy something not marklin.If the set sales are good for marklin maybe they think to offer us an additional set.ThumpUp


You are absolutely correct!! I really don't like the set. Period. This is the second set I have. I had planned to run it with the Alco's . Not yet not now.

By the way. I don't remember seeing this type of car running up Weber canyon (UT) behind the Big Boy.

Regards, geneBigGrin
.


What it your opinion about the tank car i am writing to the post 5 above?


Not a fair question! I will buy Marklin/Union Pacific all day long. You guys know that, I'm a sucker for this rail line. I just don't think they put the quality in the latest (only, set I know of) car set. I hope they come out with another set or 2, and I plan to run them all with the Challenger (both oil and coal) I think the Big Boys' look better with the freight cars, and the same goes for the F-7(37629)

regards, gene Laugh
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Offline dickinsonj  
#16 Posted : 28 March 2021 13:23:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Ahm, isn’t UP employing an E-9 set - see link?

Yes, good point. In the real world UP's most common motive power for their City Trains were E9s. They also used some ALCO PA/PB sets and even some Fairbanks-Morse locos, but the EMD locos won out in the end. The coaches in the 43617 set are representative of their last City fleet and E-Units were almost always used to haul them. These coaches started out behind E8s and ended up behind E9s, which have almost identical bodies. UP is a traditional railroad and they hung on to the passenger specific E -Units long after most other roads used F-Units for everything.

But as far as I know Märklin has never made any EMD diesels other than F7's, which is what all of their EMD streamliners get and they appear close enough for most of us. The coaches are also a stretch from reality, but that is a story for another day. By definition, collecting US prototype Märklin models entails some compromises beyond what their European collectors would accept, me among them. BigGrin

Interesting video and it shows just how many opinions there are as to what color UP armour yellow paint actually is. The 43617 coaches are very pretty but a miss colorwise IMO and will probably not match many loco models because they are too orange and not as yellow as the prototypes. I am liking mine a lot more now that they are lighted which makes them look a lot nicer running behind my Challenger. ThumpUp

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#17 Posted : 28 March 2021 13:43:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: grnwtrs Go to Quoted Post
I just don't think they put the quality in the latest (only, set I know of) car set.

I agree that these coaches are not ideal, although they are nicely enough made. Did yours smell really bad for a while after you got them? Mine emitted such a strong paint smell that I packed them away for a few weeks while they finished curing. They are fine now, if not quite the correct color.

The real UP coaches were almost all made by Pullman-Standard, not by Budd. They would have had smooth sides (not corrugated) and the domes were slightly different. But just like they have done with the locos Märklin has only ever modeled Budd coaches for their US streamliners. In Märklin's defense UP did buy a small number of Budd coaches, so they were not totally fictional.

I see these coaches as a sign that Märklin has lost interest in modelling US prototypes in HO scale. They are close enough to say that they did offer a 4014 train, but not a lot of effort was put into them. I found it odd that they left out the contact strips to allow lighting through CC couplers, like all of their other US streamlined coaches had. Luckily I found the parts on eBay and installed my own lighting to make up for Märklin's lack of interest. ThumpUp

My coaches look nice running behind my Challenger, which I agree is more appropriate. My 4014 is not a show pony but is pulling 31 freight cars and a caboose, just as it was built to do. If I get the 37629 set I would most likely use it for freight, so the color difference would not matter as much.

Edited by user 29 March 2021 19:35:59(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#18 Posted : 29 March 2021 17:36:22(UTC)
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Very nice looking cars indeed! Walthers has new "trainline" ones coming out of the super dome observation and vista dome lounge end car, etc. aslo. Unless I am confusing them with Haiwatha train models.
Offline dickinsonj  
#19 Posted : 04 April 2021 15:37:26(UTC)
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Here is quick pic of a coach from my 43617 set behind the 37629, and the color difference is greater than I expected. The loco is a lot more like the original color, as I suspected and the new coaches are way too orange. Those coaches will stay with my Challenger and the F7s will be pulling freight, as they were designed to do.

Armour Yellow.jpeg
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Tower  
#20 Posted : 09 April 2021 12:27:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
This is a perfect option to run with the train and the steamers like Challengers or Big Boys.I asked the manufacturer and told me that is not compatible with marklin c tracks.If i find a way to change wheels or something and make it run with my locomotives i will try to have it.
https://www.scaletrains....e-2006-water-tender-set/




A set like this is long overdue, if you find a Marklin compatible one, please let me know.

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