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Offline QQQ1970  
#1 Posted : 07 November 2020 14:58:54(UTC)
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Is it prototypical to use BR 18 to haul Märklin 42790 train set? I saw a picture by Carl Bellingrodt of Orient Express. Not sure it is same coach set.

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Offline Bahnhof fan  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2020 01:15:13(UTC)
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The BR18 hauled the Orient Express in the late 20’s and 30’s. Marklins 42790 is era 1, not era II. It is more appropriate with the OE in the 1910’s! Rivarossi and LS models have more appropriate cars. I doubt, if Marklin will ever do the right thing. They have lost enormous credibility. Look at how long it took them to finally model the S3/6 correctly.
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Offline Agneaux  
#3 Posted : 10 November 2020 04:56:37(UTC)
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The 42790 set is in the blue livery which started in 1922, maybe late 1921, making it era II.
Marklin identify it as the Simplon Orient express. On that basis, it didn't actually run through Germany at that time.

See the routes here

If you wanted to use those cars for the Germany route regardless, then a DRG Wurttemburg C, or a Bavarian S3/6 would be suitable.

If you want to stick to the Simplon route, then it looks like you'd need a Midi or PO-Midi loco for France. REE may have one, but 3-rail versions sell out fast. Marklin offer the big French 241s, but at least one of those is era III (SNCF). Liliput or Roco may have made a Swiss steamer that would suit, again 3-rail may not be easy to find. Rivarossi made an Era II Italian electric in 3rail, but that was years ago.

I'd really like to see Marklin just issue CIWL cars in brown as singular items but with new serial numbers and no route information. Or a sticker sheet for routes to be applied by the purchasers. This would make life so much easier for everyone.


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Offline Agneaux  
#4 Posted : 10 November 2020 04:58:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bahnhof fan Go to Quoted Post
The BR18 hauled the Orient Express in the late 20’s and 30’s. Marklins 42790 is era 1, not era II. It is more appropriate with the OE in the 1910’s! Rivarossi and LS models have more appropriate cars. I doubt, if Marklin will ever do the right thing. They have lost enormous credibility. Look at how long it took them to finally model the S3/6 correctly.


You're possibly thinking of 42760.
Offline QQQ1970  
#5 Posted : 10 November 2020 13:17:06(UTC)
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Did Simplon Orient Express and Orient Express use the same coaches in era 2? The Orient Express in the picture runs between Stuttgart and Munich and was shot in 1928.
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Offline Agneaux  
#6 Posted : 10 November 2020 22:02:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
Did Simplon Orient Express and Orient Express use the same coaches in era 2? The Orient Express in the picture runs between Stuttgart and Munich and was shot in 1928.


Those cars in the photo seem to be the 'Y' or 'S' type steel carriages that were built from the early 1920s. My observation of Marklin sets is that they usually have a prototypical basis somewhere. So if Marklin is saying that blue teak cars travelled along a given segment of the Simplon OE route, then that is probably correct. To answer your question, I would like to think that CIWL cars travelling through Germany had the company name in German also.
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Offline DTaylor91  
#7 Posted : 12 November 2020 04:21:47(UTC)
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In the photo at top, I wonder what the extra car is? There should be a diner and three sleepers, along with the baggage cars on each end. Can anyone tell what the last car in front of the rear baggage car is?
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Offline Agneaux  
#8 Posted : 12 November 2020 21:51:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DTaylor91 Go to Quoted Post
In the photo at top, I wonder what the extra car is? There should be a diner and three sleepers, along with the baggage cars on each end. Can anyone tell what the last car in front of the rear baggage car is?


It will just be another sleeper. Most Märklin releases have been based on two sleepers as standard with two extras provided as supplements. The 26922 set supports the idea that four sleepers east of Stuttgart is viable. The photo just reinforces that.


Offline Marklineisenbahn  
#9 Posted : 16 November 2020 17:05:35(UTC)
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Hallo Gentlemen,
Well , this is on the photograph L63 Orient Express pulled by 18-470 from Munich Depot - picture taken by famous Carl Bellingrodt [ famous German Railway Photographer ] in year 1928 in Swabian Jura Mountain.

S.O.E. Express during Epoch II used most likely same rolling stocks as were used before WW1 conflict only color was different / changed.
Around 1922 it was changed from maroon to royal blue. Pictured ( in original post ) steel cars WL type S1 of C.I.W.L. were built in 1922 mostly for “Train Blue “
The first steel restaurant WR type were built in 1926.
S.O.E. haven’t received WL cars till 1929 or so when famous Train Blue obtained brand new LX cars.
Märklin S.O.E. Train is again mix of old ( very old Trix cars dating back to 1979-80 ) In this particular consist Ex. Trix Baggage cars included in Märklin SOE set are pure fiction ! Agh... Those cars
were never used in Orient Express Train or S.O.E. Ditto!

The first Simplon-Orient-Express run daily from mid-April 1919 as a luxury sleeper train to Trieste. And catch up with connecting trains with sleeping cars to Bucharest, Semlin and with simple seated wagons ran further eastward.
Since the destroyed (crossing over Save river in Belgrade the capital of Serbia ) bridge near Semlin was not yet opened , the travelers had to take a ship ferry across.
Märklin SOE set consist of repainted teck wood cars build around beginning of XX century ( 1894-19008 ) for CIWL and “fictional” baggage cars.
Regards,
Märklineisenbahn

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Offline QQQ1970  
#10 Posted : 16 November 2020 17:09:40(UTC)
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Thanks that is informative.
Offline Agneaux  
#11 Posted : 17 November 2020 21:22:48(UTC)
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This site, Train Consultant has some more interesting information. It goes into some detail about the makeup of various segments of the routes, including the associated time frames. The image of the changes during the trip highlight how the train changes over the entire journey. Only two sleepers appear to make the entire east-west trip.

This page is also titled "the express train of mistakes". As the bulk of the real Orient Express history occurred between 100 and 120 years ago, we're unlikely to ever have an entirely accurate picture of how things were exactly.

In theory, you can put any CIWL cars on a layout and say: "that is the Orient Express".
The only people that will ever challenge you will also know why you can say it...
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Offline QQQ1970  
#12 Posted : 17 November 2020 23:25:27(UTC)
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Thanks for the great info.
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