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Offline skeeterbuck  
#1 Posted : 30 April 2020 13:22:47(UTC)
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I was sent these pics from a friend that has the two items in the pics below. Since I know little about these pieces, I'm looking for help to identify them as well as to a possible value. I think the engine is an RS800 circa 1946/47. It looks like some zinkpest happening to it's frame and body. Thanks for any help the members here can provide.

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 30 April 2020 21:36:08(UTC)
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...some zinkpest...

I think it is riddled with it and will fall apart...
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#3 Posted : 30 April 2020 22:39:59(UTC)
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Hi

I believe the loco on top is a RS800N in the 1947 Catalogue (page 4) alas in the final stage of "Zinkpest" and has been "repaired".
Marklin 1947 P4.png
The car is a 353 Sleeping car "Schlafwagen" of the same year with cast bogies. Usually the wheels get loose on their axles and good only for showcase.
Marklin 1947 P9.png

These are interesting pieces but in better shape I think

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Offline kweekalot  
#4 Posted : 01 May 2020 13:54:39(UTC)
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The RS 800 N looks somewhat like my pre-war Trix Express 20/55

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Offline skeeterbuck  
#5 Posted : 01 May 2020 17:23:12(UTC)
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Thanks for the responses. My thinking at this point is that they both would be best used for "parting out".
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Offline skeeterbuck  
#6 Posted : 01 May 2020 17:26:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot Go to Quoted Post
The RS 800 N looks somewhat like my pre-war Trix Express 20/55

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Yes, but yours has survived over the years. I wonder if it was just luck or is it cast from a different material?
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#7 Posted : 01 May 2020 17:48:31(UTC)
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Yes given the condition I would part with it.
@ kweekalot Yes, the loco was already in the 1938 catalogue
Marklin 1938 P6.png
As you may see, the loco has not changed much, except the coupler and perhaps the material quality: in 1946 to 1949 Germany was re-using scrap metal of various origins (Downed planes) which gave very poor results and "Zinkpest" (Intercristaline corrosion).
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Offline drmusix  
#8 Posted : 05 May 2020 18:48:29(UTC)
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The RS 800 is not a post-war model, but earlier e.g. 1939-1940: it still has the opening on one side to access the coal/brush screws which was changed (closed) in the postwar models which also had one step instead of two beneath the doors. The ctalogue picture does indeed show the later version and you can see the difference. In another post from today I have shown my 1939 RS 800, this one here is about the same vintage.
Alas, the body and the frame are useless by zincpest and would have to be replaced by Ritter spare parts which are not cheap. My advice would be to keep the pantographs and the wheels (unless they're broken) only.
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Offline drmusix  
#9 Posted : 05 May 2020 18:53:49(UTC)
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The 353 had the same zincpest problems when fitted with cast bogies but these also came with tin bogies and there are replacement parts for these so I think I'd keep the Schlafwagen but definitely NOT that RS 800.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#10 Posted : 05 May 2020 19:25:28(UTC)
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Hi Wolfgang
This is assumption on my part but when Märklin resume their production in 1946, they made changes on the catalog (1947) but in the interim continued to produce pre-war-like models (SK800 instead of SK800N, etc).
On the 1947 Catalogue there were pink leaflets glued on the catalog to indicate the "new" models were not available
See the picture below
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So why wouldn't they have produced RS800 (with openings for brush holders) or used existing parts stock instead of RS800N? IMO they just did.
There is a clear difference in metal quality used for "Guss" by Märklin in 1939 and 1946-1947
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Offline drmusix  
#11 Posted : 05 May 2020 19:32:54(UTC)
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Yes of course, that may be possible. Like the TW800, which had also a postwar version using remaining old parts. But then again, I held pre-war HR and SLR 700s in my hands which had also broken frames due to zincpest.
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