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Offline MKOpSeattle  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2019 21:49:52(UTC)
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I'm trying to put together a WW II military train set similar to 26606 but with Tiger I and II tanks. I have some ideas what the flat cars would be. Artitec has a good selection of that. But I can't decide on the steam lok. It will have to be Era 2 heavy steam lok. I will stay with Marklin. Any idea which lok will fit in the train set? Thanks.
Offline LongHairedDavid  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2019 21:58:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
I'm trying to put together a WW II military train set similar to 26606 but with Tiger I and II tanks. I have some ideas what the flat cars would be. Artitec has a good selection of that. But I can't decide on the steam lok. It will have to be Era 2 heavy steam lok. I will stay with Marklin. Any idea which lok will fit in the train set? Thanks.


When I had a scale model shop, I had a WWII German RB loco in the window in 1:35th scale along with some wagons and flak guns. It was a BR52 - they were special wartime build locos where the Germans tried to reduce the amount of metal etc. that went into the build. You might have to search for a Marklin one. though.

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Offline mvd71  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2019 22:28:14(UTC)
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Br44 or the Br42 would seem the logical choice. A br52 could work too
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Offline Marcelo Bernacchi  
#4 Posted : 28 June 2019 01:14:06(UTC)
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the wwII is a very interesting theme.
I am searching for items that could have been transported to US by the end of the war.

that's the first result , but the train needs some paint yet

regards,
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#5 Posted : 28 June 2019 01:14:50(UTC)
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Hi,
Try
37453 BR45 2-10-2
37816 BR50
39044 BR42 wartime build
39047 BR42 wartime build
39960 BR96 articulated

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
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Offline franciscohg  
#6 Posted : 28 June 2019 02:18:38(UTC)
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Those are great locos indeed, cant wait for 39047
You can also make a winter theme with BR 53 in winter camp.
UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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Offline MKOpSeattle  
#7 Posted : 28 June 2019 08:40:46(UTC)
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Thank you for all the suggestions. Now the difficulty is to decide which one to get.
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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 28 June 2019 09:15:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
Thank you for all the suggestions. Now the difficulty is to decide which one to get.


you may have to get more than one because most of them had been bombed during WWII.BigGrin

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Offline hxmiesa  
#9 Posted : 28 June 2019 09:38:14(UTC)
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You will need "transport-prepared" tanks, as the Panzer V and VI where too wide for rail transport. (They had to remove the outer road-wheels and skirts, and change to narrower tracks)
This would physically alter their aspect, so you have to get models in that state, or if they are kits, you have to assemble them in that state.
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Offline Br502362  
#10 Posted : 28 June 2019 10:34:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
You will need "transport-prepared" tanks, as the Panzer V and VI where too wide for rail transport. (They had to remove the outer road-wheels and skirts, and change to narrower tracks)
This would physically alter their aspect, so you have to get models in that state, or if they are kits, you have to assemble them in that state.


Only Panzer VI Tiger I and Tiger II had to remove outer road wheels and had to use transport tracks.
Panzer V Panther is narrower and fits to flat cars like Märklin 4867 Ssym 46.


Cheers

Åke

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Offline Dave Banks  
#11 Posted : 30 June 2019 01:46:15(UTC)
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Hey Guys, this is the only military train on my layout. BR42.90 or BR44 #37881 used to haul the
WW2 Artitec lowbed wagons & WW2 AXIS equipment.

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Offline franciscohg  
#12 Posted : 30 June 2019 04:37:33(UTC)
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An old video featuring BR 45 ( Borsig edition) and BR 53 in winter camo, along with several brands of coaches and tanks, some are scratchbuild. Since then I have got plenty of new material but have not putted to run yet
Regards

UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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Offline MKOpSeattle  
#13 Posted : 30 June 2019 07:30:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Go to Quoted Post
Hey Guys, this is the only military train on my layout. BR42.90 or BR44 #37881 used to haul the
WW2 Artitec lowbed wagons & WW2 AXIS equipment.


This is exactly what I'd like to put together. Right now I'm leaning towards 39047 with camouflage paint.
Offline MKOpSeattle  
#14 Posted : 13 November 2019 03:31:08(UTC)
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39407 is available now. It costs 499 Euros at Marklin Stores. It is very beautiful. Besides the collector display case, a certificate of authenticity and camouflage paint scheme, I can't tell the difference between it and 39044. The cost difference is about 90 Euros (499 vs 404). For me, it seems a lot for those. Can anyone tell me what did I miss between those two loks? Thanks.

T
Online danmarklinman  
#15 Posted : 13 November 2019 19:46:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
I'm trying to put together a WW II military train set similar to 26606 but with Tiger I and II tanks. I have some ideas what the flat cars would be. Artitec has a good selection of that. But I can't decide on the steam lok. It will have to be Era 2 heavy steam lok. I will stay with Marklin. Any idea which lok will fit in the train set? Thanks.


Just to wet your whistle so to speak:-)
Here’s a link to inspire you?
https://www.google.co.uk...438#imgrc=sw1ZXy3Ny7QNKM
but I believe it was shot up by fighter bombers as the already damaged tanks were being withdrawn for repairs.
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Offline MKOpSeattle  
#16 Posted : 15 November 2019 07:25:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Just to wet your whistle so to speak:-)
Here’s a link to inspire you?
https://www.google.co.uk...438#imgrc=sw1ZXy3Ny7QNKM
but I believe it was shot up by fighter bombers as the already damaged tanks were being withdrawn for repairs.


Thank you.

Very nice pictures of Tiger 1's and King Tigers on flat cars.

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Offline GlennM  
#17 Posted : 15 November 2019 19:44:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
I'm trying to put together a WW II military train set similar to 26606 but with Tiger I and II tanks. I have some ideas what the flat cars would be. Artitec has a good selection of that. But I can't decide on the steam lok. It will have to be Era 2 heavy steam lok. I will stay with Marklin. Any idea which lok will fit in the train set? Thanks.


A good choice would be the BR52 for which you can buy a light armouring kit to add to the boiler of the loco. The kit is made along with a whole host of other WWII themed products by Artmaster Models https://www.das-kantoor.de/

Here are a couple of pictures of their product line and the armour on a BR52 taken at Nuremberg Trade Fair in 2016 (photos taken through glass so they are not brilliant)

br52 wide.jpg

br52.jpg

Dutch model maker Artitec is also a good source of models - http://www.artitec.nl

Finally not Marklin but maybe worth a look are the WWII military trains made by REI models (available from Reynaulds) but sadly most of the heavily armoured locos are DC - https://www.reynaulds.com/catalog/dept_786.aspx

The full selection of Reynaulds WWII stock can be found here

Would be interested to see some pictures of your finished train
Don't look back, your not heading that way.
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Offline MKOpSeattle  
#18 Posted : 16 November 2019 06:56:18(UTC)
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Would be interested to see some pictures of your finished train


Thank you Glenn for the information. Right now I only have one Tiger 1, one Panzer IV and a Sd. Kfz 251. I also picked up a 4866 from Michas Bahnhof in Berlin. I like the looks of 39047 but can't justify spending extra 90 Euros for cosmetic stuffs as compared to 39044. I'm still waiting for Artitec to restock their flat cars.

T
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Offline GlennM  
#19 Posted : 17 November 2019 14:25:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Would be interested to see some pictures of your finished train


Thank you Glenn for the information. Right now I only have one Tiger 1, one Panzer IV and a Sd. Kfz 251. I also picked up a 4866 from Michas Bahnhof in Berlin. I like the looks of 39047 but can't justify spending extra 90 Euros for cosmetic stuffs as compared to 39044. I'm still waiting for Artitec to restock their flat cars.

T


Well that is a good start. I have seen the 39047 and it is nice but I am not totally convinced by the camouflage, and I prefer the winter camouflage that the BR53 Märklin item 37024 came finished with.

A second option would be to buy a second hand analog loco and upgrade it to digital and camouflage it yourself (or maybe find a suitable third party to do it for you) this may offer a nice saving which you could spend on more 4866 wagons or more tanks for the train.

One thing I have found with my train is that the vibrations from running can cause the tanks to move on the bed of the 4866 and so IMHO opinion they cannot simply be placed on the beds they need to be secured in someway.

Finally, I forgot to add in my previous post the offerings from Roco in their Mini Tanks range, there are some very nice models, I know it is not Märklin, but the items I have run well on C-track and I have no issues. ThumpUp ThumpUp
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#20 Posted : 17 November 2019 14:57:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Would be interested to see some pictures of your finished train


Thank you Glenn for the information. Right now I only have one Tiger 1, one Panzer IV and a Sd. Kfz 251. I also picked up a 4866 from Michas Bahnhof in Berlin. I like the looks of 39047 but can't justify spending extra 90 Euros for cosmetic stuffs as compared to 39044. I'm still waiting for Artitec to restock their flat cars.

T


Well that is a good start. I have seen the 39047 and it is nice but I am not totally convinced by the camouflage, and I prefer the winter camouflage that the BR53 Märklin item 37024 came finished with.

A second option would be to buy a second hand analog loco and upgrade it to digital and camouflage it yourself (or maybe find a suitable third party to do it for you) this may offer a nice saving which you could spend on more 4866 wagons or more tanks for the train.

One thing I have found with my train is that the vibrations from running can cause the tanks to move on the bed of the 4866 and so IMHO opinion they cannot simply be placed on the beds they need to be secured in someway.

Finally, I forgot to add in my previous post the offerings from Roco in their Mini Tanks range, there are some very nice models, I know it is not Märklin, but the items I have run well on C-track and I have no issues. ThumpUp ThumpUp

Plastic vehicle loads always move a bit, especially autos, I’m waiting to make a modern British army train. So far only the Boxer, the British Army’s new 8 wheel fast support vehicle already made in metal by Schuco for the German army. I could also use the MAN trucks as well. But I will weight for these to be made with the correct British camouflage.
Maybe Schuco will make some WW2 tanks, perhaps tiger 1s with transport tracks? For yourselfBigGrin
Thanks for the links Glenn👍
https://www.schuco.de/en...ouflaged-1-87-452623900/
https://www.google.co.uk...r=2#imgrc=eCglHwMNUMkP8M
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Offline GlennM  
#21 Posted : 17 November 2019 15:20:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post

Plastic vehicle loads always move a bit, especially autos, I’m waiting to make a modern British army train. So far only the Boxer, the British Army’s new 8 wheel fast support vehicle already made in metal by Schuco for the German army. I could also use the MAN trucks as well. But I will weight for these to be made with the correct British camouflage.
Maybe Schuco will make some WW2 tanks, perhaps tiger 1s with transport tracks? For yourselfBigGrin
Thanks for the links Glenn👍
https://www.schuco.de/en...ouflaged-1-87-452623900/
https://www.google.co.uk...r=2#imgrc=eCglHwMNUMkP8M


Dan,

Yes the plastic ones move a lot, but I have also found the die cast metal ones that came as part of the M4FOR series by Märklin also move as well BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

Thanks for the Schuco links ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
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#22 Posted : 17 November 2019 17:09:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post

Plastic vehicle loads always move a bit, especially autos, I’m waiting to make a modern British army train. So far only the Boxer, the British Army’s new 8 wheel fast support vehicle already made in metal by Schuco for the German army. I could also use the MAN trucks as well. But I will weight for these to be made with the correct British camouflage.
Maybe Schuco will make some WW2 tanks, perhaps tiger 1s with transport tracks? For yourselfBigGrin
Thanks for the links Glenn👍
https://www.schuco.de/en...ouflaged-1-87-452623900/
https://www.google.co.uk...r=2#imgrc=eCglHwMNUMkP8M


Dan,

Yes the plastic ones move a lot, but I have also found the die cast metal ones that came as part of the M4FOR series by Märklin also move as well BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

Thanks for the Schuco links ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp


That’s interesting 🧐 proper tie downs then:-)? I’m thinking of attaching my cars on the car train by this method. Mini chains ⛓
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Offline Dave Banks  
#23 Posted : 17 November 2019 21:01:17(UTC)
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I think this BR52 has been camouflaged very nicely:

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Offline MKOpSeattle  
#24 Posted : 17 November 2019 22:19:54(UTC)
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Very beautiful paint job.

Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
That’s interesting 🧐 proper tie downs then:-)? I’m thinking of attaching my cars on the car train by this method. Mini chains ⛓


When I was at the MarklinTage back in September, I talked to an Artitec salesperson about this and he showed me a set of chains and hooks, Article number: 387.349. I bought three packs and each pack can be used on two vehicles.

The blocks that came with the Marklin Flat car + 2A6 Leopard Tank work really well. The tanks are Schuco metal tank and heavier. I also run my train at slow speed. I think resin tank will need to be tied down. The chains make it look more realistic.

Offline Dave Banks  
#25 Posted : 18 November 2019 02:10:55(UTC)
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As you can see from my earlier pictures I have only one military train that has WW2 Axis low-bed wagons & tanks, personnel carriers, half tracks & all are from Artitec. Their detail & quality are just exceptional in my eyes. I have just got to fix the load to the wagons & all would be good. My friend has that detailed BR52 in Cleveland Australia. It is admittedly a delta loco but I wouldn't mine getting my hands on it RollEyes. I am going to look into the chains you mention for securing the tanks ETC.
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Offline MKOpSeattle  
#26 Posted : 18 November 2019 06:18:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
I talked to an Artitec salesperson about this and he showed me a set of chains and hooks, Article number: 387.349.


Correction: the Article number is 387:300 Chains and wedges Military Transport.
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Offline carlos.rivas.16752  
#27 Posted : 28 March 2020 17:07:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MKOpSeattle Go to Quoted Post
I'm trying to put together a WW II military train set similar to 26606 but with Tiger I and II tanks. I have some ideas what the flat cars would be. Artitec has a good selection of that. But I can't decide on the steam lok. It will have to be Era 2 heavy steam lok. I will stay with Marklin. Any idea which lok will fit in the train set? Thanks.


Just found this nice article with pics and drawings (in spanish though but google translator will do the job). Hope it helps!

https://www.lasegundague...com/viewtopic.php?t=9461


Regards
Carlos
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#28 Posted : 29 March 2020 16:11:27(UTC)
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#29 Posted : 29 March 2020 18:20:01(UTC)
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I have used Woodland Scenics A196 glue to glue items , such as my people. The advantage is that items can be removed without damage. It has worked well to glue my military items to flat cars and chains, blocks, can be added later.
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