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Michael4		#1 Posted : 13 March 2020 18:08:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: England, South Coast		Can anyone tell me whether 4050 or 4076 are tinplate or plastic? Or are there any others I should be looking at for classic 'Inox' SNCF coaches? Thanks.
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kamstutz		#2 Posted : 13 March 2020 18:36:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/03/2015(UTC) Posts: 194 Location: Orlando, FL		Originally Posted by: Michael4 Can anyone tell me whether 4050 or 4076 are tinplate or plastic? Michael - Not sure about the #4076's, but the #4050's have plastic bodies. I've got about 6 of them to run with a #3012 eLok. The cars are very light and tend to derail so I put some lead weights (same used for balancing the tires on your car) on the bottoms and that resolved the problem. They look nice, but find yourself clean ones as on some the paint tends to flake. Kurt
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JohnjeanB		#3 Posted : 13 March 2020 18:37:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,550 Location: Paris, France		Hello Michael They are definitely moldered in plastic and it was a premiere for Märklin at the time (around 1965) The last reference is with interior while the first was without. It was also the first time Märklin provided an optional interior illumination with light-conducting stabs Cheers Jean
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Martti Mäntylä		#4 Posted : 13 March 2020 23:46:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/11/2018(UTC) Posts: 429 Location: Uusimaa, Helsinki		Another thing to be wary about is that many 4050's I see on the market have bent bodies, some to the extent that the window inserts don't fit well any longer. Perhaps Märklin did not get the plastic quite right in their first try. 4076's seem to be free from this issue.
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Markus Schild		#5 Posted : 14 March 2020 09:06:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Michael, The SNCF INOX - wagons have been made by a number of manufacturers. The Märklin cars are fine. But if you prefer metal - cars look for the models from SMCF or VB from France. VB (Zamak) #260 (without inscrition)) and #263 as MISTRAL: SMCF: These cars are very heavy. It is not a good idea to use them on a layout with inclines. Regards Markus
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TrainIride		#6 Posted : 14 March 2020 11:30:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,059 Location: FRANCE		Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä Another thing to be wary about is that many 4050's I see on the market have bent bodies, some to the extent that the window inserts don't fit well any longer. Perhaps Märklin did not get the plastic quite right in their first try. 4076's seem to be free from this issue. Hi, one of the causes of the bent bodies was the heat of the interior lightning... Best Regards Joël
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Michael4		#7 Posted : 14 March 2020 11:58:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: England, South Coast		I will have a look around, I particularly like the look of the VB ones and of course they are metal. They would sit well with my VB Mistral loco. I assume Hornby Acho would be the same if they made them? However...I have steep inclines and 5100/5200 curves. I usually look for the shortest tin coaches I can find and usually do not run anything longer than three. This is quite important when one has strategically placed contact tracks getting interfered with by coach lighting pick up shoes!
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 14 March 2020 12:31:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Michael4 I usually look for the shortest tin coaches I can find and usually do not run anything longer than three. This is quite important when one has strategically placed contact tracks getting interfered with by coach lighting pick up shoes! So how about the 40691 tin plate coach set in this years new Items brochure that is being produced to go with the 30380 SNCF BB9200 reproduction loco?
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JohnjeanB		#9 Posted : 14 March 2020 12:46:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,550 Location: Paris, France		Hi Michael Originally Posted by: Michael4 I will have a look around, I particularly like the look of the VB ones and of course they are metal. They would sit well with my VB Mistral loco. I assume Hornby Acho would be the same if they made them? No the Hornby Acho are in plastic, they are gorgeous but longer 258 mm. Here is one https://www.ebay.de/itm/Hornby-A...bf8f6:g:TwAAAOSwkvheIZBW. There are 2 inox cars: 1 class and 1 class/baggage combi: see here https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Voiture-...76fc9:g:DEoAAOSwD2leZ9EC They are 2 rails of course Cheers Jean Edited at: by user 15 March 2020 12:57:08(UTC)  | Reason: 2nd link not valid, now corrected
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Michael4		#10 Posted : 15 March 2020 12:01:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: England, South Coast		Desirable but shocking, 40691 is NEW. I have never bought anything Marklin that is new apart from 'new old stock' spares and occasional bits of catenary. There doesn't seem to be an 'nice' solution to this one that suits my small analogue layout. Perhaps I should be looking at the 'cheapies' (Lima, Jouef etc) for something short that at least looks the part. Of course it won't be metal....
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kimballthurlow		#11 Posted : 16 March 2020 02:27:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB .... the Hornby Acho are in plastic, they are gorgeous but longer 258 mm. Here is one https://www.ebay.de/itm/Hornby-A...bf8f6:g:TwAAAOSwkvheIZBW. There are 2 inox cars: 1 class and 1 class/baggage combi: see here https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Voiture-...76fc9:g:DEoAAOSwD2leZ9EC They are 2 rails of course Cheers Jean Hi, I have investigated these coaches some time ago, and I agree with Jean. I believe the Hornby Acho to be the best of these "vintage" INOX coaches. That is in detail (study of photos) and in running (if they are as good as my DEV sets made by Hornby in the same era). Kimball
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5HorizonsRR		#12 Posted : 16 March 2020 17:40:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		Those INOX ones look GREAT Re: 4050/4076: I love them, but I had to sell them as I have been through 3 different sets over the years. Despite perfect condition and proper storage conditions, they all either warped or started displaying the paint flake issues...
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mike c		#13 Posted : 20 January 2025 06:31:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		In the 60s, there was also the 4065 Type Y Couchette coach of the SNCF. I think that 4069 was a similar coach in SNCB (Belgian) markings. There were also a number of other SNCB coaches that often did run into France (4116-4120) which were SNCB I4 Type coaches. Regards Mike C
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Brakeman		#14 Posted : 24 April 2025 19:01:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 304 Location: Southern California		I like to run my INOX cars with double heading BB 7200s, even from a different time period. The coaches show their age, stubby, heavy details and sometimes warped, but they look good and the rain has that French appearance. Keep on shunting - Juha
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