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Purellum		#51 Posted : 28 December 2019 10:36:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Galvanizing is used to prevent corrosion (rust). Technically speaking, you are right............. However, I don't think Märklin made galvanic isolation on the CAN bus to prevent rust......... Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I look forward to the answer with anticipation! Don't hold your breath........ Per. P.S: Edit: Originally Posted by: cookee_nz David is correct. Your translation has let you down.Galvanic has nothing to do with Galvanising Sorry, I didn't see your answer coming while I was writing
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hxmiesa		#52 Posted : 28 December 2019 11:00:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,520 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: Goofy Galvanizing is used to prevent corrosion (rust). Stick back to the topic! Ranjit did asked for help by start digital. This one really made my day!
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Bigdaddynz		#53 Posted : 28 December 2019 11:23:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Goofy Stick back to the topic! I didn't know that Goofy had been promoted to Moderator..... Must have missed that memo!
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Purellum		#54 Posted : 28 December 2019 11:40:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I didn't know that Goofy had been promoted to Moderator..... I think he's now Head of the Moderator-department, since he's moderating the Moderators......... Per.
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David Dewar		#55 Posted : 28 December 2019 12:42:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,340 Location: Scotland		Hopefully Ranjit has now ordered his CS3plus as this topic as usual ends up being an argument and of no use to the original poster. The CS3PLus has advantages over the CS3 in particular when using a S88 and is not a waste of money and in no way compares to a MS2.
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Purellum		#56 Posted : 28 December 2019 13:10:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Hopefully Ranjit has now ordered his CS3plus I hope so, he bought the book; but haven't posted anything here for the last 8 - 9 months. I hope he's not waiting for an explanation on why galvanic isolation is important on a CAN bus............ Per.
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kiwiAlan		#57 Posted : 28 December 2019 14:54:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Goofing off again..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_isolation David is correct. Your translation has let you down. Galvanic has nothing to do with Galvanising Apart from both involving electricity ... Originally Posted by: cookee_nz A similar technology is used in many other devices, for example MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) where the input / output are totally separated but the data between the two is achieved by Opto-Isolators. This prevents any possible electrical connection between them. The other common example is hard wired Ethernet connections where the twisted pair wires go through isolation transformers at each end. Originally Posted by: cookee_nz I really suggest an apology is in order and you should do a little more research before jumping to conclusions ??
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Purellum		#58 Posted : 28 December 2019 15:45:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Apart from both involving electricity ... Well, not really; unless you think of Galvanic corrosion, which is an electrical process Galvanizing is hot-dipping and does not involve electricity; electroplating is a different process which involves electricity Per.
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Goofy		#59 Posted : 29 December 2019 12:28:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		I did count up what is cheapest way for Ranjit by start digital if he likes it. There is difference in cost between CS3 and CS3+. 60226 €649,99 60883 €99,99 66360 €49,99 Total amount: €799,97 60126 € 799,99 60881 €54,99 Total amount: €854,98 In fact it is more cheaper way by use CS3 and enough for a big large layout too. The way of use response signal is not always necessary for the train layout. It will be fine by use m84 and reed switch too via magnet under the frame of the trains by pass over the reed switch.
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David Dewar		#60 Posted : 29 December 2019 16:36:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,340 Location: Scotland		Goofys prices are way too high. Look at MSL and others for a CS3 plus at 699 euros and if you wish join the MSL club and you will get it for 629 euros plus another 4% added to your account. Also a S88 connects straight to the CS3 plus. The is hardly any price difference between the two controllers if you use a S88. MSL has a 49 euro fee to join but you still save a considerable amount. Nobody needs to pay Marklin retail prices. Shop around for the best deals.
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Goofy		#61 Posted : 30 December 2019 00:05:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Goofys prices are way too high. The prices are standard by Märklin. Not mine.
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sjbartels		#62 Posted : 30 December 2019 03:29:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/08/2015(UTC) Posts: 1,091		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: David Dewar Goofys prices are way too high. The prices are standard by Märklin. Not mine. I agree, these prices, pulled from the Marklin website are high when, if you use the same part numbers at any reputable online hobby shop are lower For example; 60881 at Marklin is €54,99, but at Lippe is €45,99 (20% cheaper) Likewise 60226 is €649,99 from Märklin and is €584,99 at Lippe (again, cheaper) Just my 2c...
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hxmiesa		#63 Posted : 30 December 2019 15:42:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,520 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: sjbartels I agree, these prices, pulled from the Marklin website are high when, if you use the same part numbers at any reputable online hobby shop are lower In the case of comparing different solutions, sticking to recommended retail prices is correct. It allows to compare between options from the same brand and between brands. ONCE you have found the best technical (or cheapest) solution THEN it is time to shop around. Difference in prices at OVP, should be relative to prices in huge shops that can sell 15-20% below the OVP. One should still look around/shop around, as shops may have taken action on specific products. Some may have the wanted product from split-up sets, etc. Just TALKING to the owner can get you a discount...
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David Dewar		#64 Posted : 30 December 2019 16:58:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,340 Location: Scotland		Quoting Marklins prices could put off many buying as they are way to high. Ranjt should be looking at the two controllers and deciding which is best for him taking into account the advantages of the CS3 PLus then look at prices from various dealers but not the Marklin shop. I see Ranjit has not come back to the the thread which is not surprising.
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bph		#65 Posted : 31 December 2019 11:00:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 994		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: TEEWolf you get the galvanic isolation (important for the CAN bus) This is really interesting, can you please tell just a little more about this ??? Why is the Galvanic isolation important for the CAN bus ??? Per. came across this: The galvanic isolation in the CAN interface shall protect the CAN controller and also the PC from high voltage incidents on the bus. Under certain circumstances, the voltage differences in a CAN network can reach values far beyond specification. This can not only destroy CAN transceiver and CAN controller in the interface, it might as well have an impact on the PC hardware. With a galvanic isolation, you still might have a defect on your CAN interface (in most cases the CAN transceiver), but your much more expensive host system will not be affected. And this led me to a question, Is the whole CS3+ powered by a galvanic isolated power supply or is it just the CS3+ CAN interface module that have a separate galvanic isolated power supply. ?
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Goofy		#66 Posted : 31 December 2019 11:48:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: David Dewar I see Ranjit has not come back to the the thread which is not surprising. His last post was at the end of March 2019. I believe he lost interested to start digital. Not worth spend more time here in Ranjit topic start.
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